Watergate: S & D

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"balance"!

Οὖτις, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link

I suspect Nixon was ultimately punished more for approval ratings that were cratering than for the high corruption. If the public had decided Watergate wasn't that big a deal, I'm sure Goldwater and the rest of them would have stood their ground and the impending impeachment would never have reached the stage it did (which I think was a recommendation to proceed with impeachment hearings...I'd have to double-check). I'm not defending Nixon, believe me; I'm just saying I'm not ready to ascribe noble principals to the Republicans who bailed on him (or, to be truthful, to the Democrats who were swarming either). It's politics; most everyone was acting out of self-interest.
― clemenza, Saturday, April 2, 2011 11:35 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

global tetrahedron, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link

curious if anyone has any favorite watergate documentaries. dunno if i'll bother w/ the abc one but would be interested in a good one with lots of original footage.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 16 June 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link

the clemenza post seems right to me -- but what's astonishing, from this late date, is how sincerely outraged the public got over something as complicated and unsexy as watergate. feels like a high-water mark for democracy that we'll never get close to again.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 16 June 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link

there haven't been a huge number, and i don't remember watching more than one or two. BBC did one a lot of ppl seemed to like, but the YT quality is poor. xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRCih5rUiVQ

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 June 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link

It was all very new, esp w/ the tapes, to hear the president curse, say "Get the money," etc. And now...

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 June 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link

quoted it because it's basically the theme of the trump thread, how much will people care and how complacent is the GOP willing to be

global tetrahedron, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link

There was Foster Wiley's 'Watergate Plus 30: Shadow of History', which I saw when it came out in 2003 but can't remember much of xp

https://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww56/harrylime49/vlcsnap-2010-12-22-17h01m51s189.png

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link

The PBS American Experience installment on Nixon that aired in late 1990 had a fair amount of contemporary Watergate footage, iirc.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 June 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link

I watched that BBC one the summer it came out, it's great.

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Saturday, 17 June 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link

I recently (ahem) rescreened All The Presidents Men for the first time since I saw it as a teen who then knew nothing about Watergate. The movie was baffling to me the first time round, and this time round, I a) appreciated it as one of the all-time great detective stories and b) admired how unforgiving it is re: expecting the audience to know what Watergate was, what Nixon did, etc. That final scene before the credits roll - the meaning and irony of it were completely lost on me the first time I saw it.

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Saturday, 17 June 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link

well, remember, it was released less than4 years after the break-in.

“That axiomatic Hollywood principle, action is character, takes a strange turn in [Alan J. Pakula’s] All the President’s Men [1976],” writes Mark Feeney in an excerpt from Nixon at the Movies: A Book About Belief now up at Slate. “The Woodward and Bernstein we get to see—so dutiful, so serious—are Butch and Sundance gelded. It wasn’t as if Woodward and Bernstein and the Post were out to get the president and his men (the party line of Nixon apologists). They don’t bring down the government out of any animus. They don’t even do it because it’s fun. (The only person in All the President’s Men who ever seems to be enjoying himself is Jason Robards’s Ben Bradlee.) They bring down the government because it’s a great story, and getting great stories is their job. . . . What’s so charismatic about journalism here isn’t its practitioners (Bradlee once again excepted); it’s the idea of journalism.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/conspiracy_thrillers/2017/06/all_the_president_s_men_made_woodward_and_bernstein_the_stuff_of_journalistic.html

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 18 June 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link

That Feeney boom is terrific, by the way

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 June 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link

Book

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 June 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link

one year passes...
one year passes...
one month passes...

nobody left but liddy and dean

mark s, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link

does Diane Sawyer count?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link

it was a guess really but it had a certain poetry so i went with it

mark s, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link

Magruder testifies that money was given to Liddy in good faith to use as security at campaign rallies for Nixon surrogates and the RNC convention.

— Watergate Day Of - 1973 (@WatergateDayOf) January 23, 2020

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link

embedded tweets are good again

(ps they were always good)

mark s, Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

The crazy rat bastard finally popped his clogs

G. Gordon Liddy has died at 90. His bungling of Watergate break-in triggered a crisis that led to President Nixon's resignation. https://t.co/UM81k5hv5v

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) March 30, 2021

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

Somewhat fatalistically, I'm starting in on the Graff book.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 03:44 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...

HBO ‘Plumbers’ tv show; five episodes, starts March

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXTmH6C4LHY

piscesx, Friday, 9 December 2022 21:04 (one year ago) link


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