wow... so far this sounds like yet another step up, even from Jeffery which I thought was brilliant. The production alone..
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 16 June 2017 10:07 (six years ago) link
That's basically what I'm talking about. Since streams do count this time there's no excuses if none of these songs chart. Future managed to get it done with Mask Off, and now he's undeniably a top tier artist, even though I vastly prefer his pre-WATTBA music. Before that his highest charting song featured Drake and we all know those songs don't really count.
As for Thug, Pick Up The Phone was last year's song of the summer in my circles and his highest charting song, but it still only reached #47 on the Hot 100. Not even Good Times managed to make him into a household name. What I'm afraid of is that he has lost his window and will never be the star he could have been - if only the charts had been more like what they are today when he had his breakthrough. Jeffery was good, but it still lacked something. More people were talking about the dress than about the music.
I always liked Faneto, btw, and Can You Be My Friend is one of my favorite singles this year. Keef has still spent a good few years in the wilderness and he'll probably never be the star he could have been, even if those years probably were for the better in helping him figure out what he wanted to be and do.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 16 June 2017 10:10 (six years ago) link
xpost to deej, of course.
I have no idea why or how Mask Off was chosen and made a hit. Totally boring compared to a lot of other tunes he's released lately. I'm So Groovy, Fresh Air, Coming Out Strong would all have been better choices IMO
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 16 June 2017 10:16 (six years ago) link
afaict RapCaviar has only added one song from Beautiful Thugger Girls. It's the one w Future and it's hardly at the top of the list, w three 2 Chainz songs higher up.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 16 June 2017 11:27 (six years ago) link
damn, "do u love me"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 16 June 2017 13:10 (six years ago) link
this is super great--highlights so far are "do u love me," "on fire," and "relationship"
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Friday, 16 June 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link
Not even Good Times managed to make him into a household name.
First off, sentences like this are mind numbing bc it suggests you don't know what would make an actual hit for him anyway--this is by many miles one of his less popular records. "Pull up on a kid" and "best friend" and "with that" were way, way bigger
But also my point is you're talking about the artists like its their fault that they didn't chart--that *he* "underperformed" bc streaming hadn't been incorporated into billboard when it was always a broken system. Maybe!!what matters in rap is not what the charts arbitrarily support at any random time? Maybe there's more to the zeitgeist than that? In retrospect the people who were getting amped to "we dem boyz" or whatever seem more out of touch w what was happening in rap than the kids who were listening to "in the woods" keef and "underperforming" thug records
Also @ dog Latin the label actually pushed "drayco" but "mask off" was the people's choice
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 16 June 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
we were all like drayco? fuck it, mask off
― mh, Friday, 16 June 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
mask off is really catchy and the flute loop is really infectious, this weird ilm anti-mask off sentiment is bizarre to me, i'm not a big future guy or anything but when i heard mask off i got why it was big
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 June 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
I get why it's big, it's just kind of boring imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 16 June 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
One man's boring is another man's "hypnotic"
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Friday, 16 June 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
plus that Prison Song sample is dope af.
― evol j, Friday, 16 June 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
where's the RMDE gif when i need it
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 16 June 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
so this is Thugger's HNDRXX I guess?
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Sunday, 18 June 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link
that's a pretty good comparison, tho HNDRXX faded for me after I initially loved it. time will tell what i think of BTG, but i do know that "on fire" is a jam
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
favs are the one w/ future, 'on fire' 'get high' and 'do u love me'
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
daddy's birthday
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
in the interests of cross platform consistency i should mention i decided im not that into the future record upon repeat listens. idk, hook is kinda rhythmic radio corny to me
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 22 June 2017 05:34 (six years ago) link
Well, there's no Rich Gang alchemy present on that song, for sure.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 22 June 2017 07:18 (six years ago) link
which future record?
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 22 June 2017 09:49 (six years ago) link
Relationship, the one on BTG. I think it's fine but it doesn't feel as effortless as the Thug/RHQ stuff. A high bar, obviously.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 22 June 2017 09:51 (six years ago) link
they shdve collaborated before they became legends
― lag∞n, Thursday, 22 June 2017 16:14 (six years ago) link
They did, the track they did on ICFN2 is good
― albvivertine, Thursday, 22 June 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
was thinking like a whole tape........with gucci
― lag∞n, Thursday, 22 June 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
That would've been really cool probably, tho personally I'd pass on Hucclecote.
― albvivertine, Thursday, 22 June 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
(Left that autocorrect for Gucci in bc lol)
― albvivertine, Thursday, 22 June 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
lmao wtf is Hucclecote
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
Hucclecote Mane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hucclecote
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 23 June 2017 07:30 (six years ago) link
[young thug voice] maaaaate
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
I can't stop listening to this album.. rather early but tempted to say it's his best work so far
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
if I waste your time I reimbuuuursee
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
out ridin' on a bike on a very late night has p much been my life this week
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
not my cup of tea
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
oops this was meant for the vince staples thread
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
So this did 50% of Kodak Black's first week numbers. That's what I was afraid of. Definitely not saying that it devaluates the music but seeing as he has been a buzz artist for so long without it translating into actual sales I'm semi worried about his future.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
* semi worried about his commercial future and how it will impact his artistic arc. Thug doesn't need to sell in order to be good but I'm not sure how he'll take it if people begin to consider him a flop.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 2 July 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
this record sounding v good, might be his best yet
― imago, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 11:03 (six years ago) link
Do U Love Me (especially the delivery from 2:10) really doing it for me this week. Me or Us, despite being lyrically nonsensical works as a tender moment. I also like the quasi-festival/Manu Chaoness of For Y'All
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 11:14 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h63FK4tlLU
― Number None, Saturday, 19 August 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
hell yea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyrQog0JXOA
― gr8080, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
damn this EP is impressive
― Evan R, Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/kevin090smith/young-thug-rocket-man-remix
this has absolutely no business being as good as it is
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
photo is delightful
― sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
Soundcloud link is down, so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwXjgSKBJDs
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 13:32 (five years ago) link
wow this rules, what the hell
― ufo, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
new EP is on spotify, elton sample included
― nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 September 2018 05:01 (five years ago) link
This EP is good. I love the beat on "Real in My Veins." LODT was has always been my favorite producer for Thug.
As I see D-40 mentioned on Twitter, the discourse around this release/Thug's career is extremely boring (the Box Office Mojo-fication of music coverage is lamentable in general). I've been slowly reading Jesse McCarthy's n+1 piece on trap—which imo is pretentious in all the best ways but ymmv—so in contrast to that here's this:
Young Thug enacts a Charlie Parker theory of trap. Virtuosity, drugginess, genius, vulnerability, an impish childishness almost as a compensation for the overabundance of talent, the superfluidity of imagination. A Cocteau from East Atlanta, he teases the beat, skipping off it like a yo-yo, yodeling, crooning, blurting, squawking, purring, working his game on you, finessing, playing ad libs like Curtis Mayfield worked strings, or scatting and growling low like Louis Armstrong if he were sweating it out in a freestyle battle with James Brown, bouncing back and forth between personalities. His polymorphously perverse sexuality is so insistently graphic and deadpan that it has virtually zero erotic charge, au courant pimp talk channeled through a kind of private board game of his own imagination, a Candyland fantasia slimed in promethazine. By contrast, his persona oozes sex. In leather jackets, ultratight jeans and Janet Jackson piercing arrangements, he’s a Mick Jagger–ish rake on the make who is also shy and easily wounded, suddenly open for a hug. A favorite and telling picture posted to Instagram account thuggerthugger1 (5.2 million followers) captures him with his arm around Sir Elton John, posing like a polite politician in photo-op mode (Obama-alt) next to Sir Elton, who is dressed in a gold-trim Adidas tracksuit and a black thugger cap.If the outlandish persona were all there was to it, he might be written off as a variant to Weezy that went nowhere. But the music really does, somehow, sound like the future, like something that’s never been tried before, a radical experiment. His concern for innovating, like his persistent concern for his kidney health, is a marker of identity, not just a lifestyle. The boundaries he pushes are only partly for our benefit; his chameleon love affair with the frisson of the louche, the lawless elasticity of language, and the plasticity of the self-fashioning body in motion is all of a piece. He insists on being the soloist and chorus all at once; his is an orchestral impulse, a surround sound lyricizing every inch of space on the track. Words aren’t about what they mean, but, in the spirit of Baraka’s “Black Dada Nihilismus,” only how they sound. They are rhetorical and lyrical ammunition, raw material to freak like Jimi, not satisfied until the instrument wails, weirds out, trips over itself with a surplus that is no longer within respectable or even recognizable bounds — hence Thugger’s fundamental queerness in the most capacious sense of that word. Free spirit from day one: “When I was 12, my feet were so small I wore my sisters’ glitter shoes. My dad would whoop me: ‘You’re not going to school now, you’ll embarrass us!’ But I never gave a f — what people think.” The music critic for the Washington Post writes that “if he lived inside a comic book, his speech balloons would be filled with Jackson Pollock splatters,” which is halfway there (why not Basquiat?). Thugger is more exciting than Pollock, who never wore a garment described by Billboard as “geisha couture meets Mortal Kombat’s Raiden” that started a national conversation. Thugger’s work is edgier, riskier, sans white box; if anything it is closer to Warhol in coloration, pop art without the pretension. It is loved, admired, hated, and feared by people who have never and may never set foot in a museum of “modern art.”
If the outlandish persona were all there was to it, he might be written off as a variant to Weezy that went nowhere. But the music really does, somehow, sound like the future, like something that’s never been tried before, a radical experiment. His concern for innovating, like his persistent concern for his kidney health, is a marker of identity, not just a lifestyle. The boundaries he pushes are only partly for our benefit; his chameleon love affair with the frisson of the louche, the lawless elasticity of language, and the plasticity of the self-fashioning body in motion is all of a piece. He insists on being the soloist and chorus all at once; his is an orchestral impulse, a surround sound lyricizing every inch of space on the track. Words aren’t about what they mean, but, in the spirit of Baraka’s “Black Dada Nihilismus,” only how they sound. They are rhetorical and lyrical ammunition, raw material to freak like Jimi, not satisfied until the instrument wails, weirds out, trips over itself with a surplus that is no longer within respectable or even recognizable bounds — hence Thugger’s fundamental queerness in the most capacious sense of that word. Free spirit from day one: “When I was 12, my feet were so small I wore my sisters’ glitter shoes. My dad would whoop me: ‘You’re not going to school now, you’ll embarrass us!’ But I never gave a f — what people think.” The music critic for the Washington Post writes that “if he lived inside a comic book, his speech balloons would be filled with Jackson Pollock splatters,” which is halfway there (why not Basquiat?). Thugger is more exciting than Pollock, who never wore a garment described by Billboard as “geisha couture meets Mortal Kombat’s Raiden” that started a national conversation. Thugger’s work is edgier, riskier, sans white box; if anything it is closer to Warhol in coloration, pop art without the pretension. It is loved, admired, hated, and feared by people who have never and may never set foot in a museum of “modern art.”
https://nplusonemag.com/issue-32/essays/notes-on-trap/
― rob, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link
man idk that's pretty bad
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
i mean i'm probably not on that piece's wavelength tbh
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link