Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

it's a bombastic speaking style but idk it sounds more like they're trying to be enigmatic ad&d dungeon masters than actually full of themselves

like a lot more drama club than debate club

I think they would freely admit/embrace that distinction.

Also this is a general purpose new left media thread now so counter-suggestions are encouraged

oddly enough, the venn diagram of drama and debate clubs has an overlap where Ted Cruz lives

r'lyeh?

yeah after i started listening to cum town my tolerance for Will and Felix in particular really plummeted, now i just find them obnoxious and unfunny. I still like the other three.

i just can't bear to listen to something called 'cum town' with a logo font of jizz, sorry

yeah it sucks... i label the ones i download "Mullen, Halkias, and Friedland" w/ pictures of a castle so it looks like a prog rock band. seriously if you like Chapo you'll probably like Cum Town, too. but if you hate Stern ymmv

I tried with CT but I just can't. Too aimless for me.

speaking of venn diagrams, I'm a fan of this one

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18268656_10213093279586099_937333125103132937_n.jpg?oh=e08142d005df83f7299a9e28b2fa8e7d&oe=59CD4BAE

Can there be a podcast that is just Amber interviewing people? The guests on here are often interesting, and I've enjoyed Frost's writing for quite some time, but Felix, Matt, and the other one just seem like morons.

Clearly there is one group that is obviously too right-thinking to belong on any type of Venn diagram. A group of people who are so smart and ideologically pure that anyone who disagrees with them for any reason must be an incoherent, pedantic coward

Seriously, I agree with like 95% of what the chapo hosts say, but the smugness and sanctimony is staggering

otm and also they're nerds and nerds are generally insufferable and have fucked up speech patterns

Although I gotta repeat what I said upthread about Matt: he often goes in deep and is usually pretty insightful and passionate and well spoken. I got tired of Felix's limited comedic abilities and Will's smugness is suffocating. Matt has his moments of weird out of place dorkisms but he's imo the most consistently insightful one on the show.

Can there be a podcast that is just Amber interviewing people? The guests on here are often interesting, and I've enjoyed Frost's writing for quite some time, but Felix, Matt, and the other one just seem like morons.

Amber does have another podcast w/ Sam Kriss, linked upthread

Also for people who find the dry boys annoying, I recommend either Katie Halper's show or the new podcast by Josh Androsky. I like what I've heard of Street Fight but it is a little niche/local for me.

mostly just Felix and Will. and not all the time. but like I said - Cum Town totally flipped my lid and exposed a lot of Chapo's weaknesses.

I love Amber but can't stand Sam Kriss, purple prose & annoying to listen to.

"Cum Town"

i know...

it's too bad that Brendan isn't a regular, he seems averse to developing a shtick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFr_zhZjDrE

feel like the "morons" thing comes partially from an aspect of the dramatic voices (or everyday voices) used that don't code as commentator-type or Ivy League-type
it's not that the people speaking couldn't frame everything couched in political analysis rhetoric, it's a colloquial podcast. I mean, I think the repeated joke about only relating to politics through metal gear is bad, but it's real -- kojima is like the oliver stone of a video game idealizing generation and framing things counter to this weird conspiratorial/fictional framework is speaking to people who want to be interested in reality but came to political shit via the outside channels. if they're routed into dsa instead of jerking off on stage at the libertarian convention it's good

I appreciate the lack of journalist phrase book and pronunciation. The gulf state episode where the guy who has lived in Qatar pronouncing it well, and the chapo man doing American standard slaughtering of it was grating to my pedant ears but good

if they're routed into dsa instead of jerking off on stage at the libertarian convention it's good

Larry website stopped doing it a while ago but I must have seen at least 50 screencaps of new DSA member applications that cited Chapo specifically as an inspiration for joining

yeah I heavily sigh at that point but, hey, at least it's not people joining racist healthcare libertarians

this whole dsa realness thing is a weird trip. I've had friends who have been employed by the catholic worker groups, been union members who worked with people who repped for the socialist worker groups, but it catching on as an internet politics nerd twitter/podcast thing is still weird to me

I have no idea what "racist healthcare libertarians" means and...I'm not sure I want to know

I think healthcare was a weird autocorrect, but I am sticking with it

oh wait, no, I meant people who think nationalizing healthcare instead of leaning on this weird insurance model is bad because they're racist and would rather see poor and/or minority people die in emergency rooms than have a sensical healthcare system

I was thinking about it again the other day, when reading tweets about "these could be preexisting conditions!" The thing is, if healthcare is actually insurance oriented, then it makes absolutely no sense to cover people who can't or won't pay in. Because insurance is a liability thing, you are usually required to have a certain level if you own and drive a car, own a house or property, or whatever. By its nature it has limitations because it is a business and a hedge -- nearly everyone will have some level of payout, but the idea is the ideal rate approaches (modest profit + admin costs+ costs of payout) across the system.

Health insurance is a fucking weird way of doing it because everyone has a body, and everyone's body will fail. Unless you own a mansion with huge asterisks in the real estate listing (giant redwoods hang over the house, it's on the edge of a cliff, it's on a fault line), amazingly few houses will fail in ways that exceed the paid-in amount for home insurance. And, new growth suburban horseshit aside, houses will last a damn long time and you will live in several different units of housing in your life. Not so for bodies.

to tie everything together, the healthcare eps w/ Tim Faust were great at untangling this subject, and I agree w/ everyone who's said that health care should be positioned as the pivotal fight for the american left. (DSA is doing a good job on this from what I can tell)

they brought the theme song back. episode 118 - From Russia with CHUD (feat. Sarah Jones)

excited to hear them eviscerate megan mccardle over her idiotic Grenfell Fire piece. matt tweeted that he was screaming so loud that his neighbors called security.

Angela Nagle's book is now #1 on Amazon in that category

Think they're wrong about democrats going for the Russia thing because they're trying to pull one over the conservatives - I think they're true believers (and, as the hosts acknowledge, there is something there).

Really interesting look at the conspiracy stuff, tho - I see a lot of ppl on my FB timeline talking about this stuff, but was unaware of the cottage industry of hucksterism that's sprung up around it.

TFW the sex is great and ur bf is kind, but he listens to too much @CHAPOTRAPHOUSE pic.twitter.com/0BHwmhLLNe

— Alfred M. Baenanno (@yungneocon) June 20, 2017

hahaha

A true grey wolf would be volcel. Sounds like all this great sex is draining this dude of his vital essence

lol at Chapo having the same effect on young loser dudes that Fox News has on their grandpas.

I demand they address this on their podcast, and not just with a "well it's hard for millenials to find good jobs" aside

lulled by the siren song of matt and felix's nasal honks

listening to latest episode and i wonder why they even had the guest, they're just talking over her

The Mensch stuff kind of felt a good three or four months late. I have the impression she queered her own pitch by going after BLM and has been less prominent since, though I may be wrong.

Either way, given that Buzzfeed is on a jag of posting articles by Serious Investigative Journalists implying Theresa May and the British establishment are effectively playing accessory after the fact to Kremlin hit squads knocking off English scientists, and others, there are bigger things to worry about.

When did she go after BLM? Because she's been most prominent (or was most prominent) around the time she had that NYTimes russian hacking piece

i really liked this episode, i know too many people that are susceptible to Russia Derangement Syndrome and i think they did a good job debunking and explaining all that nonsense. can't remember if i've already posted this yet

it may be late but the Mensch's Theodore Herzl self own is all time

April, though - yes - she was probably already on a downward spiral by that point.

http://www.snopes.com/blm-ferguson-russia/

so have any of these dudes commented on twitter or in the podcast (I'm slipshod in my listening) on this mess?https://www.upguard.com/breaches/the-rnc-files

tl;dr version is that the republican groups who were doing voter research, modeling, and targeting had a large portion of their voter demographic and interest data on an amazon s3 bucket that they completely failed to secure. it was wide open, no one has determined for how long, and if a security researcher was able to find it, then who knows what malevolent interests were

I'm also trying to figure out how many state laws they violated in different places -- data on voter registration, party affiliation, and what elections they have voted in is usually released by states only to political parties and outreach groups under strict guidelines about how they can use the data and who they can share it with

Didn't that story break yesterday? I assume they'll cover it in the next episode.

I was mildly amused because both @fart and @bro_pair work at the company publishing this

Digging this:
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Listening to Dead Pundits Society (Ep. 16: What is Class and Why Does It Matter? w/ Vivek Chibber)

Tune in to learn why socialists are obsessed with "Class" and why it makes no sense to position class *against* forms of oppression like racism and sexism in capitalist society. Vivek Chibber, professor of sociology at NYU and co-editor of Catalyst: A Journal of Theory and Strategy, joins me to break down these matters and much more

https://soundcloud.com/deadpundits/ep-16-what-is-class-and-why-does-it-matter-w-vivek-chibber

I like everything about DPS except for the host. the guests are pretty reliably great

def thinking about subscribing to champagne sharks