brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

lesley laird new shadow scottish secretary

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha fuck up ian murray

Owen Smith accepts Shadow Northern Ireland as penance.

ice cream all round should reduce the tension

I wld get in a few seconds of mirth before the despair set in if the new lib dem leader took them straight into another coalition with the tories

http://i.imgur.com/3Ev6K6m.gif

Lavery is the new party chair, Watson stays on as deputy to spare his ego.

lesley laird new shadow scottish secretary

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha fuck up ian murray

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GIRUY

Ian Blackford is a nasty piece of work and no mistake. Banned from Charles Kennedy's funeral for setting SNP activists down the 'Charlie The Alkie' route (including Brian Smith who ultimately was resigned from the party over it), Blackford campaigned on a "Where's Charlie" ticket despite knowing Kennedy was a full-time carer for his father and brother.

I'm kind of sad that I'm only seeing this photo for the first time today, as Tim goes into the dustbin of history

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/nintchdbpict000321158564-e1493810446529.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100

she just smelled his spaniel, i'd guess

"He .... he told me I'd burn in the fires of hell for all eternity, mummy!"

I just found out yesterday, the apparently very old news, that Corbyn is a manhole cover fan and takes pictures of them. I've only been looking at every manhole i walk past for the past 24 hours #corbynmania

a hobby he picked it up from his mother, just to complete the story

I have a passive interest in them, in that I'm always curious about their age and steelworks of origin.

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So no Shadow Cabinet jobs for Hilary Benn, Chuka Umunna, Yvette Cooper or Ed Miliband

Another excellent day.

I was mildly curious wrt Ed however they can all dutifully serves the needs of their constituents instead.

hillary benn getting snubbed is partic satisfying

i'd read JC wanted him in so maybe ed said no?

or maybe they want him salty on twitter

I suspect Ed M doesn't want to serve in the cabinet at the moment.

I think it's good that Owen Smith is back.

I read some numpt earlier saying Dan Jarvis should be the shadow defence sec, but his stock has gone so low it isn't even a snub.

I find it hard to have any respect for Smith. But I'm just glad JC has a full shadow cabinet and not in the shit position to have to double people up to anymore.

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Why was Owen Smith bought back? Not cool imo xp - nah, sorry it...just isn't. And NI is a tough role given what's happening. Might be beyond him.

I like Tim Farron and I'm sorry he's resigned.
He was on the left of his party and I don't think this is good news for the left of UK politics, or for progressive alliance stuff, which I support.

As someone just said, if anything it increases the possibility of another Con-Lib coalition in the future.

Farron's personal / religious views remain quite mysterious to me but I don't really feel a need to know about them. It doesn't seem to me that they have affected his political actions much.

And yet - his speech today was odd, and did suggest something deeper and stranger - a genuine wrestling with (homophobic?) conscience vs liberal public duty, etc.

And the way he ended with that business about devotion to Christ - he turns out to be the most INTENSELY religious politican around, in a way that seems 'weird' and people can't handle.

I sympathise as a non-religious person, but also find this hypocritical as our society seemingly wants politicians to be religious ('the vicar's daughter', 'the son of the manse', 'the man guides by his Muslim faith'), yet ... doesn't REALLY want them to. It's good to be a vicar's daughter, but it's not good to actually say 'I have devoted myself to Jesus', the kind of thing real vicars are presumably supposed to believe.

I think there are a lot of uncomfortable inconsistencies around it all that one could examine at length. And that TF emerges as an odder or more unusual character than most political leaders. (All this and Prefab Sprout too!)

But the other angle is -- every day everyone is talking about 'the homophobic DUP' - maybe TF thought that context made his position the more unviable.

last para def otm i think

good on him for realising that I guess, but otoh fuck him for being troubled by homosexuality in 2017

Fuck, I thought ogmor was just joking about the prospect of another ConDem coalition. Could this actually be a thing?

This Smith lad might be a pharmaceutical bellend but if JC thinks he's best included for now I'll take it. He's surely had to look at the bellend spreadsheet and bring in one or two to neutralize the others before they start toynbeeing up the place

as a major player smith is a twerp but apparently he's well respected wonkwise by all sides in NI, and this will rankle been deeply as everything should

been s/b benn except been is his secret real name, call him by that name, hilary been

BUT HIS EMAILS

(hilary been proof that tea is bad for you btw, clearly drinking too much it damages the dna)

hilary been merked

Farron jumped before being pushed it seems.

No good son would want to cause their departed father to be birling in his grave*

*Alex Salmond's delicate description

pinefox really otm

is birling like boaking

Dunno. I had to consult google, from my defective memory I thought he had said "broiling" at the time.

does anyone mind if we discard the second part of this thread title?

As pinefox says it's a really odd note to go out on. My fact-free impression is that the Lib Dems didn't do *that* badly (i.e. they didn't get wiped out), they gambled (just like May) that Brexit would be the paramount issue in the election but it turned out that people, esp on the left, cared about austerity, inequality and insecurity a lot more. Tim F (not that one) just wasn't as good a campaigner as Jeremy C. If some boring person was leading Labour maybe we would have seen #grime4farron on the back of the cannabis legalisation pledge, who knows.

re the first part I only realised today that negging=negotiating xp

birling means spinning

It seemed quite hilarious at the time, but I do get irrationally giddy about certain words for some reason.

I think the resignation statement was an overflow of frustration that he hasn't been able to express during the campaign which to me is understandable, inasmuch as it is possible for me to understand someone with religious beliefs as strong as his. I never understood why he attracted more scrutiny about his views on homosexuality than say, Theresa May, who has a much worse voting record on it and pretty obviously only became pro equality after it became a requirement for electability.

Burling just means turning in that context.

...like does anyone here truly believe that Theresa May doesn't believe gay sex is a sin even if she is more willing to deny it?

Marr "challenged" May on her gay views with something weak like "Do you think it is a sin then?" and she gave an unconvincing monosyllabic no that wasn't expanded on, but tbf she has married a gay man:p

yes i kind of guessed burling was spinning, i just thought mr been's sainted dad vomiting in his grave was a funnier thing for wee eck to be diplomatically discussing

or maybe if it meant spinning AND vomiting, an activity that requires a verb imo

burfing

Hurling (Sport)

It seemed quite hilarious at the time, but I do get irrationally giddy about certain words for some reason.

'Birling' (not burling!) is one of those words that is designed to be spoken in a Scottish accent, or maybe the Scottish accent developed in order to do justice to this and other words. Wee Eck has a habit of slipping a Scots word or two into his pronouncements to maximise couthiness.

Couple of pieces for today:

Owen Hatherley's round-up (ambivalent on what he does) was good.

Can't say I have much time for George Monbiot either however his piece on the poverty of the media coverage managed to be reflective.

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yeah I think a word like Birling is definitely most effective in a Scottish accent. And also there is something quite amusing about folk in public life invoking other folks dead parents spinning (and maybe even vomiting) in their graves!