brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

there are plenty of MPs whose stated objection to the kind of policies in the manifesto was that "they aren't popular enough" - they were wrong. if they still have objections, I'd like to hear explicitly what they are

The Guardian is rethinking its strategy.

it will soon be a tabloid!

Yes.

When you see he's tipping Ruth Davidson (not currently an MP) or the famously telegenic Philip Hammond at the next Tory leader you realise he understands virtually nothing about politics, and that's before you get onto the Labour stuff.

if they still have objections, I'd like to hear explicitly what they are

'b-b-but the poor might not get 100% crushed by the forces of late-stage capitalism!'

It is funny about the dilemmas for national parties re: being an MP or being an Assembly member.

Sturgeon presumably rules the roost most of the time in Holyrood but would be rather swallowed up in London.

Davidson will turn up again crowing at Holyrood about her MPs, but oddly - they are not her MPs.

Same thing with Wood, Jones in Wales, and the NI Assembly (if it ever gets going again).

It really is an odd thing - that Davidson is probably not the line manager of those Scottish Con MPs. But everyone talks as though she is.

I find that, unlike most others, I really hate Davidson. I am encouraged in this by ilx poster 'conrad'.

scots tories are generally the worst people on earth ime

i had taken it (without, like, actually checking)* that davidson worked quite closely with the architects of the scottish tory success (their campaign was entirely independent from the one run in england and wales): which wd give her a certain standing among scotcon

*(sometimes i think i wd make a good pundit)

Yes, I understand that. She is head of 'Scottish Con Party' or whatever.

But I think the MPs are still technically more independent of her than people make out? It's almost as though they forget that she is not an MP.

Sadiq Khan campaigned (maybe, up to a point) with some London Labour MPs (presumably not JC and Thornberry), and he is not credited as 'masterminding Labour's London revival' ... We understand that he belongs to a separate legislative body from them and has no authority over them!

(But I do actually quite like this kind of crossover between political spheres.)

I suppose 'RD for Con leader' is roughly equivalent to 'Khan for Labour leader'?

Yvette Cooper opened the door to ESA and Atos work capability assessments so I wouldn't let her within a mile of the frontbench until some kind of repentance move tbh.

that would have to be a big mof'king slice of humble pie as well.

But I'd have these red Tories expelled as "bad elements".

OK - but positively - does anyone else also look forward to a bigger future role for REBECCA LONG-BAILEY?

If she becomes a big media presence she will get called 'RLB', as in 'IDS'.

RLB, Rayner, Lewis for the Labour future top team! I am excited by this!

Rayner: PM

RLB: Chancellor

Lewis: Foreign Secretary

Burgon: Home Secretary

Caroline Lucas: Environment Secretary

Barry Gardiner: Deputy Prime Minister and whatever else he wants to do

'rlb' just makes me think 'rondon leview of books'

cuz i'm a latte-sipping elite, obv

Good of dan Hodges to release this statement today: https://t.co/75rAHdwVq6

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government seems holed below the waterline. ok events dear boy events but the last three events that have taken place (and it feels cold to talk in these terms) have all broken in labours favour.

corbyn's team has played a blinder since brexit really

will still be surprised to see this grubby deal w the DUP consecrated

also ... bring Ed Miliband back as Energy Secretary! :D

and then even if it does get signed off, what were about to enter the period of greatest legislative transformation in our history with what...... a zombie gov? or a magic money forest sprouting up in NI which the conservative base (& its distaste for the "subsidy junkies" in the province)... well, up with that they will not put

DUP have been the dealmakers of choice for a decade now it seems.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/labour-tried-to-do-deals-with-the-dup-last-time-there-was-a-hung-parliament-6701733/

Davidson was completely in control of the Scottish Conservative & UNIONIST Party campaign, I don't think Theresa May/ austerity/ Brexit/ immigration whatever people in England voted on, played much of a role in the election in Scotland, which she made about one issue and one issue only. By the way, I've been looking at the Scottish results and Labour could win, and could have won, a hatful and another hatful on top by persuading a few Sturgeon-hating Unionists to vote for them instead of the Tories.

scots tories are generally the worst people on earth ime

not when theres yorkshire tories around, its a ruddy disgrace

scots tories vs yorkshire tories: fite!

There's talk that it's been delayed due to the fire, but diary commitments mean it could then go back to next week, which will obviously be a terrible shame because the drop of ink that would have dotted the last i was about to descend when this happened.

(the Unionist and Unionist union, not the Tories vs Tories fight - or is it etc etc)

new SNP leader at WM is a landlord who abstained on the homes fit for human habitation bill

RLB seems decent but always remember seeing her being somewhat shown up on a panel by a super-informed & enthused green candidate who was about 21

lots of SNP-LAB marginals now in scotland

it feels like that point in a game of chess where you've already won but your opponent either isn't smart enough to know or does know it but thinks they can force a swindle

Yes, I looked at a dozen or so seats and none had a majority of over 5000., almost all under 2000.

I am nowhere near that optimistic but I do want to see Labour gain loads of new Scottish MPs as part of the route to power, and think the rank impossibility of this has been strangely overstated since 2015.

You'll have heard of Kezia Dugdale?

who?

Andrew Percy has stepped down from his extremely fucking busy role as the Northern Powerhouse Minister.

yes the events dear boy events dog that didn't bark in my analysis is: the tories unremitting venal lust for power

Whatever Blairites say, the 1997 landslide was helped hugely by the steady drip-drip of terrible headlines that befell the Major government. Labour *might* be better off letting them form whatever cobbled together excuse for a government they can and then just hammering them on every single failure. The country as a whole has to decide "okay enough of this lot now", and that hasn't quite happened yet, or at least it hadn't by June 8th.

But yes, on the other hand, events.

By the way, I've been looking at the Scottish results and Labour could win, and could have won, a hatful and another hatful on top by persuading a few Sturgeon-hating Unionists to vote for them instead of the Tories.

Wonder why it didn't occur to them to try. Dugdale out imo

re ian blackford, looks like all SNP MPs abstained on the bill. presumably because it's a devolved issue?

re ian blackford, looks like all SNP MPs abstained on the bill. presumably because it's a devolved issue?

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EVEL was enacted in 2015?

application for the bold predictions club: theresa may's "I got us into this mess" will become the next liam byrne's "sorry there's no money left"

I hate liam byrne

No, Tories will still be repeating "Sorry there's no money left" long after "I got us into this mess" has been forgotten, they still bring up the Winter of Discontent after 40 years.