Why does anyone like the Fall?

I thought Sub-Lingual Tablet had some winning Grotesque-like moments

can anyone comment on the CD vs LP differences on that one?

Some versions of tracks are quite different (the recording/arrangement even) between the two versions. I heard the CD first so that might have prejudiced me, but overall it seems to me the material there is sharper. When The Quietus gave the album a bad review (sort of bizarrely, given that they usually support the band and arguably SLT is their best work this decade), one of the commenters mentioned that several of the review's criticisms seemed to pertain to the vinyl version and were redressed by the CD. I would concur.

thank you! I see one song is also slightly longer on CD

I liked SLT a lot

Re-Mit is fun too, this lineups version of a party record

I just snapped up Ersazt and Re-Mit, will pick up SLT soon and that'll catch me up to the new one

My main regret is that reformation post tlc did not sound even slightly like the mammoth hawkwindesque show they played here when the Americans and the current Britishes were briefly all in the lineup together

was that lineup recorded live?

I don't think so... live hammersmith does not have the American kids right?

I keep hoping I'll find an audience recording of that one I was at (greenpoint, Brooklyn, 2007)

The Hammersmith CD/DVD does actually have the American band, or at least some of them.

In combo with Dave the eagle and them?

new track isn't too bad you know

holy fuck "Loadstones" is incredible

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but... why do some of you abbreviate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Future_Our_Clutter to OFYC ? Is it because of the first track?

iirc spine and cover have the title in different orders

oh, and also, (I should have read my own link) - "The album had previously been referred to as Our Future Your Clutter."

9/11 and 9/17 NYC dates added!

still binge-listening to Ersatz GB and Re-Mit, fully back on the Fall kick and will get SLT soon, maybe will write up more thoughts later but Re-Mit is surprisingly solid. MES voice is used primarily as instrument, lyrics are secondary and IMO much missed compared to glory days, but the primal power remains.

holy fuck "Loadstones" is incredible

― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:33 (three days ago)

fuck yeah! i didnt dig "re-mit" much at the time. i think a re-listen is due

that winding riff is the best, esp the little run on the 3rd beat

I also love the tense groove and stare-you-down vibe of the keyboard-driven "Victrola Time"

The Fall is a great group to discover, to get soaked in their long albums with their different moods and instrumental choices, always revolving around the same structures.
But to listen to individual songs and "singles", casually ? Horrible. So it's one of these bands I've listened a lot of albums from, but only a couple times.
As opposed to many other 80s bands like The Cure that are interesting every day.

... except for "Big New Prinz" which is unquestionably their best song and amazing in isolation.

you're both very wrong, but hey thanks for dropping into the thread

^this

Picking on individual songs and then burrowing into the albums was the best way to get into The Fall ime.

So many great tunes in isolation!

that's too bad elena is gone, i feel like she has beenin this band the longest beyond MES and I liked how she smoked cigarettes.

Finally got round to reading Renegade, Mark E Smith's autobiography. It's pretty disappointing. It reads like it was transcribed in the pub from him rambling away and could've used a serious edit. Or even better, someone to guide him into different topics. Barely mentions anything of interest and certainly few insights. "Nobody understood but I was right" is his take on practically everything. There was a page about John Peel that sounds sincere but otherwise this amount of sustained MES-isms leaves him looking like insecure old fart.

Steve Hanley's book is the best book about the Fall and tells you a lot more about MES than this book does.

The mick middles book is good

everything otm, very disappointing book.

I've heard that Mr Smith is not well at all, and the multiple NYC performances next month are doubtful.

Word is that U.S. dates have all been canceled, but the NYC dates are going to be rescheduled.

That's per the organizers of the festival in Kentucky that The Fall were scheduled to play next month.

All US dates postponed until 2018 per the manager's Instagram account due to MES health concerns

And while certainly a bummer this is about the least surprising announcement ever.

New album is great.

Anybody read the Steve Hanley book - it sounds like it might just about be the best account out there of prime time Fall.

Yeah, I enjoyed it a ton, definitely worth checking out.

this is the post on instagram mentioned above btw: https://www.instagram.com/p/BYOQaRvDUT5/

Hanley's book is a definite must-read if you're seriously into the Fall - you do get the typical time-skip in the late-80s-90s era where tends to condense stuff, but if prime era to you is dual Hanley/Karl stuff you're in for a good time. The amount of bullshit he puts up with from MES over the years/pages is mind-boggling too.

BANANA!

christ, the pictures of a wheelchair bound MES on twitter rn

what this? https://twitter.com/wheelchairjunki

yeah that's not him

apparently it's a broken hip and he has his arm in a sling too, but upcoming live dates still going ahead afaict. get well soon mes

Och, so he's still gigging? It can't be that bad then.

is it this picture from 09?

http://thequietus.com/articles/01427-the-fall-s-nex-album-will-be-on-domino

no i was looking at these

Was at the Banshees gig when Siouxsie played with a broken leg, and last might Mark E Smith fronted it out during illness (pics Andy Yates) pic.twitter.com/muzgJcLZbs

— Room To Live (@DarrellTaylor66) October 21, 2017

Sorry to see Mark like this. Glad he's soldiering on. Apparently he was on good form in Wakefield. Get well soon #MarkESmith ! #TheFall pic.twitter.com/jk6ErcWHWV

— Matt Melia (@DocMelia) October 21, 2017

but i see now he's got his legs crossed in those so i'm not even sure it's a fracture

another one