brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

slowly, but surely...

DUP MP tells me there may be no deal with Tories until weekend & is predicting Queen Speech won't be until Monday 26 June, put back a week.

— joncraigSKY (@joncraig) June 13, 2017

How is it possible that this is still going on? They have to be deliberately putting this shit out there to win as many concessions as possible.

Labour probably have a vested interest in keeping this thing on life support for a while yet, the longer it goes on the worse the headlines will get. The caveat to that is that we're in a highly unstable political and economic environment right now (and the turnaround in Labour's fortunes since the local elections proves that) - difficult to see how they can come back from having to bargain to get every bit of legislation through, mind.

Do they have that long? I thought they had 14 days to form a government before Corbyn gets to have a go. And Brexit negotiations due on 19th

(I'm not sure where I got this 14 day figure from though: it's not in the FTPA, and I learned about it from a tweet)

Ah, it is in the FTPA, but Elections and Queen's Speeches don't count: 14 days from a failed no-confidence vote and that alone.

This is fantastic:

While the usual commentators are scratching their heads, guy this nails Corbynism in 85 seconds. Book him on all yr current affairs shows. pic.twitter.com/qlNrxyqx5m

— hrtbps (@hrtbps) June 12, 2017

I think that blog post falls into the category of well-meaning wake-up call fwiw.

'delusion' in respect to supporters and Momentum members fell into slurs. Agree that O'Hagan's heart was in the right place and she did excellent work thereafter.

I'd argue that a lot of those supporters privately feared the worst and they kept on campaigning anyway. Not to feel any doubts at all about the likelihood of success would be pretty weird.

looking forward to the Ealing Studios biopic

Meanwhile, who the fuck is going to want to watch a docudrama depicting Theresa May's rise to power last year?

Theresa vs Boris: How May Became PM was commissioned before Mrs May called the snap election.

... I'll bet it was. Nice try BBC.

Its one thing to have doubts but 'delusion' is a bit over the top.

Tom Crewe at the LRB also talked to Momentum members earlier this year to similar effects at times. Defending them and yet..

Can't wait for his follow-up. And fuck knows what Runciman is going to write.

Unexpected playoff win and promotion means fairweather fans and glory hunters. We'll need those lads to compete for the title. They'll be dancing in the streets of Westminster tonight

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/509B/production/_96453602_gove_pa.jpg

Gove?

If they were serious about this they'd have Andy Serkis in a spitting image mask to play gove

ffs are the bbc going to pay us to watch this shit?

"dramas" that are just stuff in the news/biographies of famous people from the 60s done by impressionists for an hour and a half are some of the great BBC productions of the last 15 years

who can forget Tony Blair and Gordon Brown Didn't Like Each Other, Doctor Who is a TV Programme from the 1960s or The Secret Life of Peter Sutcliffe?

all starring Michael Sheen

oh don't forget The Night Manager 💩

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Tony Hancock wasn't Funny All the Time

Jolly good evening watching the British football team - proper ordinary British fun!

Put your hands in the air like you just don't care pic.twitter.com/y5WI4DEnOW

— James Doleman (@jamesdoleman) June 13, 2017

Fuck it's the dark crystal isn't it

Or one of them

As featured on the first mentions thread:

Meanwhile, someone has just alerted me to the uncanny resemblence between dominatrix Tory MP Theresa May and a Skeksis...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 April 2003 11:10 (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I keep having to remind myself that there is a not insignificant constituency of people out there who actually think like this

The UK negotiating team on Brexit SHOULD be; David Davis. Jacob Rees Mogg. Nigel Farage. Scare the hell out of the EU.

— David Vance (@DVATW) June 13, 2017

Thankfully there are not too many people like David Vance around, he's a nutjob.

Most of them are in the DUP though.

God help us if there's a war when your most rabid jingoists' idea of 'scary' is Jacob Rees Mogg.

we are prepared to front up with the silliest man in the history of the british isles, that is our level of confidence

think it's more "chinless, monocled Gestapo officer" he's thinking

this is a face that was born to swim into focus, heavily backlit, in a bare-concrete interrogation room

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1920x1080/p038tmsj.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1920x1080/p038tmsj.jpg

'in hushed tones they refer to him as mozart. the human nervous system is his orchestra and he has written many exquisite symphonies of pain'

tbf that is a weird animal snarl to be failing to keep out of photos of you

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-S1N-biMH6Jg/U1rldhEPLPI/AAAAAAAAOMA/QwZ1rsYPb5w/s1600/P4260453.JPG
Juncker, Rees-Mogg

I believe that's the innate hauteur of the nobility

the innate inability of the terminally inbred to properly control their muscles

lol calzino, perfect

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/14/corbyn-labour-rethink-strategy-chuka-umunna-yvette-cooper

^
there is probably an important kernel of truth here - ie it WILL indeed be very very difficult for Labour to win next time. It follows that 'broadening the tent', etc, is a perfectly viable idea.

But apart from the general self-centredness of the column, it really lost me when it said:

"Umunna as shadow chancellor instead of John McDonnell?"

I mean, isn't that like saying: "for Corbynism to succeed, Corbyn should stand down in favour of Liz Kendall"?

(And btw I actually like Umunna as media performer, think he may be able to help, and hope he will be involved in some productive way.)

i read that earlier and my primary reaction was wtf

To win power, Corbyn and/or Labour (preferably both) have to change. In fairness to him, he is showing signs of tacking to the centre – most obviously in accepting the party line on Trident renewal.

the most significant victory for labour in recent memory comes on the back of a straight-up leftwing manifesto and this prick is desperate for them to row back to an entirely imaginary centre

I would argue that to win he has to embrace his former critics elsewhere in the party: Chuka Umunna, Yvette Cooper, Angela Eagle, and all those who wanted nothing to do with the Corbyn project and wished it ill.

fuck no, these blairite shits are the ones who should be compromising

at least harriet harman had the good grace to admit she was wrong

I think we can safely disregard these bozos at this point

I mean, one catches ones breath at the sheer myopic inflexibility of these choads, the staggering lack of insight, self- or otherwise, but really it's just groans of the dying

yet more names to be inscribed in the bizarro gazzara 'HURRY UP AND DIE' file

"turns out people really like that whole integrity thing Jeremy, and 'for the many not the few' is playing great with some demographics, but if you could just hitch it to some empty platitudes about hard-working families and legitimate concerns then you might be onto something"

I do want to see those people on board and working for Labour victory. But I agree that it should be on JC's terms, not a trade-off. And the fact is, JC has always been generous and positive towards all these people. It's they who have had the problem.

JC clearly really likes and appreciates McDonnell and vice versa - it's very genuine, very unlike eg May & Hammond or any number of other MP relationships.

I, like some others, don't really hugely like McDonnell as presence, but JC will surely think: McDonnell is the right Chancellor for what I want to do socially and economically - why would he change? (I also think JC would be too loyal to JM even to consider any of this.)

But if JM does eventually get moved for whatever reason - JC could perhaps put Rebecca Long-Bailey in as Shadow Chancellor to good effect, and possibly even gain a bit of support that way, while retaining leftist social democratic position?

one other thing about 'dilemma of bringing in the centrists':

not long ago the issue was that, bcz of these people's actions, JC didn't have ENOUGH people to fill the necessary posts. Hence Thornberry doing two jobs, etc.

So surely there are enough posts to go round?

can someone photoshop lord buckethead in place of vader here thx

http://i.imgur.com/MDOmo9K.gif

in these situations pinefox I honestly admire your optimism and ecumenism, but I don't believe that most of the centrist PLP can be trusted or that they have any genuine interest in social democratic economic reform. JC, as you say, did not start this fight.