i like a stripped down lineup but these guys are so...i dunno..."good" in a not interesting way, like they have a real session vibe to be
i dunno like there's an almost like 80s metal vibe to that main riff that weirds me out
though i react poorly to a lot of new fall stuff then sometimes end up loving it
his vocal sound unhinged like emphysema-as-autotune
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
This lot were behind OFYC so I have some faith (and every album since has had a couple of great tracks at least), sure Elena will be a big miss
― imago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
good to know abt OFYC lineup, I can't keep track anymore
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
This lot have been in situ since Imperial Wax Solvent! Longest stable line-up ever
― imago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
Yeah basically This is almost all the people who made OFYC so potential for stupendous excellence is real
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
love OFYC
i dunno, honestly i was hoping he would shake-up the lineup a bit i feel like this band has codified this sort bruising, precise repetitive heavy riff thing a bit too much
though the one aspect of the i DIDN'T want to see go was Elena...though I suppose that change has zero to do with music.
lord i bet she could write a book and a half
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
My post-OFYC mixtape:
Taking Off Dedication Not Medication GreenwayMister Rode MonocardNo Respects Rev. Auto Chip 2014-2016JetplaneJam SongLoadstones
― imago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
i have no idea who's in The Fall of the 21st century besides MES.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
xp I would also like to put in a word for All Leave Cancelled.
Jetplane and Loadstones are two of his best songs regardless of era imo.
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
man, I really need to catch up on the last few. I know they're on Spotify, I should just buy CDs.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
I thought Sub-Lingual Tablet had some winning Grotesque-like moments
― the rockists' red glare (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
can anyone comment on the CD vs LP differences on that one?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
Some versions of tracks are quite different (the recording/arrangement even) between the two versions. I heard the CD first so that might have prejudiced me, but overall it seems to me the material there is sharper. When The Quietus gave the album a bad review (sort of bizarrely, given that they usually support the band and arguably SLT is their best work this decade), one of the commenters mentioned that several of the review's criticisms seemed to pertain to the vinyl version and were redressed by the CD. I would concur.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
thank you! I see one song is also slightly longer on CD
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
I liked SLT a lot
Re-Mit is fun too, this lineups version of a party record
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
I just snapped up Ersazt and Re-Mit, will pick up SLT soon and that'll catch me up to the new one
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
My main regret is that reformation post tlc did not sound even slightly like the mammoth hawkwindesque show they played here when the Americans and the current Britishes were briefly all in the lineup together
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link
was that lineup recorded live?
― imago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
I don't think so... live hammersmith does not have the American kids right?
I keep hoping I'll find an audience recording of that one I was at (greenpoint, Brooklyn, 2007)
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
The Hammersmith CD/DVD does actually have the American band, or at least some of them.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
In combo with Dave the eagle and them?
― or at night (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 23:28 (six years ago) link
new track isn't too bad you know
― imago, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 11:12 (six years ago) link
holy fuck "Loadstones" is incredible
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:33 (six years ago) link
^
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 05:34 (six years ago) link
^!
― cwkiii, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link
but... why do some of you abbreviate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Future_Our_Clutter to OFYC ? Is it because of the first track?
― StanM, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
iirc spine and cover have the title in different orders
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
oh, and also, (I should have read my own link) - "The album had previously been referred to as Our Future Your Clutter."
― StanM, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
9/11 and 9/17 NYC dates added!
― cwkiii, Saturday, 24 June 2017 00:14 (six years ago) link
still binge-listening to Ersatz GB and Re-Mit, fully back on the Fall kick and will get SLT soon, maybe will write up more thoughts later but Re-Mit is surprisingly solid. MES voice is used primarily as instrument, lyrics are secondary and IMO much missed compared to glory days, but the primal power remains.
― sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 03:33 (three days ago)
fuck yeah! i didnt dig "re-mit" much at the time. i think a re-listen is due
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Saturday, 24 June 2017 02:23 (six years ago) link
that winding riff is the best, esp the little run on the 3rd beat
― sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 02:25 (six years ago) link
I also love the tense groove and stare-you-down vibe of the keyboard-driven "Victrola Time"
― sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 02:27 (six years ago) link
The Fall is a great group to discover, to get soaked in their long albums with their different moods and instrumental choices, always revolving around the same structures.But to listen to individual songs and "singles", casually ? Horrible. So it's one of these bands I've listened a lot of albums from, but only a couple times.As opposed to many other 80s bands like The Cure that are interesting every day.
― Nabozo, Saturday, 24 June 2017 08:27 (six years ago) link
... except for "Big New Prinz" which is unquestionably their best song and amazing in isolation.
― yesca, Saturday, 24 June 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link
you're both very wrong, but hey thanks for dropping into the thread
― sleeve, Saturday, 24 June 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link
^this
― imago, Saturday, 24 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
Picking on individual songs and then burrowing into the albums was the best way to get into The Fall ime.
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Saturday, 24 June 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
So many great tunes in isolation!
that's too bad elena is gone, i feel like she has beenin this band the longest beyond MES and I liked how she smoked cigarettes.
― akm, Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
Finally got round to reading Renegade, Mark E Smith's autobiography. It's pretty disappointing. It reads like it was transcribed in the pub from him rambling away and could've used a serious edit. Or even better, someone to guide him into different topics. Barely mentions anything of interest and certainly few insights. "Nobody understood but I was right" is his take on practically everything. There was a page about John Peel that sounds sincere but otherwise this amount of sustained MES-isms leaves him looking like insecure old fart.
Steve Hanley's book is the best book about the Fall and tells you a lot more about MES than this book does.
― everything, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
The mick middles book is good
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
everything otm, very disappointing book.
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
I've heard that Mr Smith is not well at all, and the multiple NYC performances next month are doubtful.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
Word is that U.S. dates have all been canceled, but the NYC dates are going to be rescheduled.
― JRN, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
That's per the organizers of the festival in Kentucky that The Fall were scheduled to play next month.
― JRN, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
All US dates postponed until 2018 per the manager's Instagram account due to MES health concerns
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
And while certainly a bummer this is about the least surprising announcement ever.
New album is great.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 25 August 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
Anybody read the Steve Hanley book - it sounds like it might just about be the best account out there of prime time Fall.
― clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Saturday, 26 August 2017 00:45 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I enjoyed it a ton, definitely worth checking out.
― cwkiii, Saturday, 26 August 2017 01:05 (six years ago) link