brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Turns out Stroud is the scene of the longest-running personal political rivalry in UK politics but no one outside Stroud has ever noticed. pic.twitter.com/E1JgYt1Eei

— Jim Waterson (@jimwaterson) June 12, 2017

The person (and people that I follow around on my Twitter TL) who came up with it has absolutely slated her/Owen Jones and Mae O'Hagan, most of it with good reason

RMDE if people are slating Ellie Mae O'Hagan, who has been broadly supportive throughout, actually bothered to talk to Momentum supporters and understand them, and literally went out campaigning for Corbyn in marginal seats, then they aren't able to tolerate the tiniest bit of even constructive/healthy dissent.

xp kinda surprised by that, would've assumed everywhere in the Cotswolds was die-hard Tory.

cheltenham was quite close between the tories and libdem iirc.

Conservative
Alex Chalk
Votes 26,615

Liberal Democrat
Martin Horwood
Votes 24,046

Labour
Keith White
Votes 5,408

getting a bit worried about Corbyn's performance radicalizing people on my FB timeline guys:

"With Corbynism on the rise fighting back against the excesses of high Toreyism, it is time for the Housemartins to make a comeback. They are needed now in these troubled times, more than ever."

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/anthony-barnett/age-of-corbyn-i-most-powerful-person-in-land

"Two days after the election and writing for millions of readers Mandelson shows us that he is the twentieth century politician. He instructs the ‘moderates’ among Labour MPs to… support Theresa May!"

Greg Knight!

http://danielrachel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Red-Wedge-036__Melody-Maker-front-cover.jpg

The word coming out of Number 10 is that the election result changes nothing about their approach to Brexit negotiations. This doesn't strike me as wise at this particular time.

The raw numbers are striking in Stroud. 7,000 extra labour votes that weren't there two years ago.

Also, lololololololol, proposed boundary changes would give, on 2017 results, a majority of NI seats to Sinn Fein http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/boundaries2018.html

fucking hell, greg knight in the melody maker!

his election jingle keeps popping into my head so it's well-deserved tbh

he discusses arsequake with the stud brothers iirc

would read

Thinking seriously about legislation they might be able to pass, the lock-down-the-internet stuff looks very difficult now- you've got a handful of tory mps who like to grandstand on the issue of civil liberties, and more importantly you've got Big Tech giants opposed, the kind of people the tory party exists to serve. Big Tech more than capable of buying offenergetically lobbying a few dozen tory mps, especially with such a lame duck PM.

Also it was fucking stupid and unachieveable from the start and everyone except May seemed to know that.

One reason the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is good thing and not a bad one, is that it's harder for minority govts to arbitrarily designate tough votes as confidence issues, to force things through, as the Callaghan and Major govts used to do all the time.

There's still scope for governments to blackmail their own mps of course, but it's more difficult, more hoops to jump through. A small step on the long road to bringing British democracy into the 19th century

the harperson speaketh (to the correct thread this time)

Harriet Harman, the former Labour party deputy leader, has said Jeremy Corbyn should take the credit for the party’s success at the general election and she would now expect all Labour MPs to want to serve in his shadow cabinet.

Speaking before a meeting of the parliamentary Labour party (PLP), Harman, who has been in the Commons since 1982, conceded that her earlier doubts about Corbyn’s leadership had been misplaced.

As another influential Labour backbencher, Clive Efford, argued that the existing shadow cabinet deserved to keep their positions, Harman said she would expect former critics in the party to now be happy to serve under Corbyn.
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Harman told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme she had been wrong in her assumption that Corbyn could not take the party forward.

“He’s confounded those expectations. Just as, if we’d have lost seats under his leadership, he would have had to take responsibility, we’ve gained seats under his leadership, and he can take the credit for that.”

Harman said the atmosphere among Labour MPs even shortly before the election had been morbid: “We were expecting the Tories to lay waste to us. Instead it turned around and we come back coherent, united.

“The atmosphere is verging from on one hand relief to jubilant, and the Tories are in disarray. And Jeremy Corbyn has to take the credit for that, because he was the leader and he’s gone forward.”

can't believe the number of conservative MPs who want a hard brexit is 295.

stephen bush had a good piece yesterday on the effects of the FTP act on the DUP's leverage

hey, just because she couldn't police the entire internet doesn't mean she couldn't make it a bit shittier

missed this a couple of days ago but the lols are as fresh as ever

Not only is a there a poll showing the Tories behind Labour, there’s also one showing every replacement for May would make them less popular pic.twitter.com/3qvAu7MvRJ

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) June 10, 2017

Stephen Bush wrote a piece yesterday saying that the Fixed Term Parliaments Act gives a disproportionate amount of power to the DUP even by Hung Parliament standards. Essentially the DUP can withdraw their support on anything they want, inflicting defeat after defeat upon the party, unless they get their way, because the FTPA means that only a No Confidence vote can bring the government down.

Result = zombie government unable to do anything, OR one in which the DUP get whatever the hell they want.

the dup are finding themselves in the wholly unfamilar position of being able to hold a gun to someone's head to get what they want

oof

but at least they can force May to go full term

haha

strung and stagnant

fucking hell, greg knight in the melody maker!

his election jingle keeps popping into my head so it's well-deserved tbh

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I remember that. The debate was basically "Red Wedge, good or bad", and GK was sat next to Chris Dean of the Redskins on the "Bad" side of the table. He sort-of made the mistake of thinking they was politically allied. CDean told him, quite forcefully without actually looking at him, that this was not so.

Essentially the DUP can withdraw their support on anything they want, inflicting defeat after defeat upon the party, unless they get their way

Or any other faction/bloc/caucus, right? It could get merciless, bouncing between policies the DUP find acceptable and those the leftie Scots do

DUP will i think stick to stuff in NI itself; they won't venture into mainland cultural politics -- so the question is, what are libertarian and cult-lib tories prepared to defend?

i'm trying to remember how much salience this all had when it was gordon brown doing the same deal -- when it was more or less pre-internet, certainly pre-twitter

what it actually does is put present-day NI under the lens of all for a change: which will change the dynamic there a LOT i suspect

I have been wondering how counterproductive it might be in the long term for the DUP to put a spotlight on the aporiae within the constitutional settlement of the UK

john major largely otm

I am concerned about the deal, I am wary about it, I am dubious about it, both for peace process reasons, and for other reasons as well ...

My main concern is the peace process. A fundamental part of that peace process is that the UK government needs to be impartial between all the competing interests in Northern Ireland. And the danger is that however much any government tries, they will not be seen to be impartial if they are locked into a parliamentary deal at Westminster with one of the Northern Ireland parties. And you never know in what unpredictable way events will turn out. And we cannot know if that impartiality is going to be crucial at some stage in the future ..

If there difficulties with the Northern Ireland executive or with any one of a number of things that might well arise during the Brexit negotiations, it is very important that there’s an honest broker. And the only honest broker can be the UK government.

And the question arises, if they cease to be seen as such by part of the community in Northern Ireland, then one can’t be quite certain how events will unwind. And that worries me a great deal about the peace process.

If only the Shinners would take their seats in Parliament... on second thoughts, maybe no.

The ..... only..... honest broker?

i did say 'largely' otm tbf

on the whole i would say, if there is one party in UK politics which is by culture and temperament disinclined instantly to gorge itself on free icecream until it is vomiting and comatose, it is the DUP: it is stubborn and parochial, and almost entirely hostile to visionary flights of the imagination, or any other kind of indulgence -- it does not proselytise, it holds on

but we are in an era of surprises, and arlene foster is not the reverend paisley (no one is), so who knows who will do what

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/816361/theresa-may-queen-jeremy-corbyn-sinn-fein-gerry-adams-arlene-foster-dup-westminster

i can never remember which UK papers are the trashy ones, so can someone tell me what's going on

That's the trashiest of the lot.

gotcha -- i need to keep a list or something

Lot of competition there though.

what you need is a league table xp

SF always come over to get their milk money

this would be a hilarious week for them to hang around in a teasing fashion obviously

Liverpool echo finish fifth

i think we're all overlooking the real story here though, which is that twitter sensation ed miliband is going to be presenting jeremy vine's radio 2 show next week, while burning sensation ian duncan smith will be spinning the platters that matter the week after

i look forward to knuckledragging white van man callers competing to offer up the worst bacon sandwich joke while ed is on the air

shadow minister of fandom, call him by his title

the vitally important frontbench role he was born for

Evening Standard front page is a picture of Arlene going into no.10 with the headline "We're the masters now", in case you were wondering how Osborne is taking it.

osborne fairly well-versed in master/servant relationships on several levels iirc

As the DUP leadership turn up in Downing Street this lunchtime, here's our second edition @EveningStandard ... pic.twitter.com/O2ODW3pmDD

— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) June 13, 2017

We're the Masters Noyyyyy, So We Are