brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

What are the chances of any sort of a dcam return after say a three, four year period

only in the guise of george i'd have thought

No way, he was never interested in politics in the first place.

i think he's quit for good

i have also (reluctantly) given up on my michael portillo long game theory

douglas hurd ftw

oh fuck there's going to be a stalking horse throwing his hat in the ring isn't here

or hers, sorry ruth

really difficult with hooves tbf

you'd kind of need to get the brim of the hat between two hooves and then you're not gonna have much leverage to throw it

it's a metaphor i think

Found out today that she's nicknamed Ruth the Mooth.

maybe if you buckarooed it off your packsaddle

TM may throw in the towel before the stalking horse has a chance to throw their hat though.

DCam is not coming back, apart from anything else they couldn't possibly afford him

Boris was cracking towards the end of the election. Nobody likes Hammond. Davis would probably go down ok within the party but not with voters. Rudd would be at huge risk of losing her seat.

Liz Truss at 25/1 might be worth a fiver.

Thought: does May drink?

"Only to excess, sir"

I think Rudd's seat can be worked around, albeit at a certain cost.

According to Peter Hitchens, Ruth is not conservative at all and a "classic liberal" which of course wouldn't be the real reason she won't be a serious leadership candidate.

Formal coalition is on then sez the Guardian. What ministry/-ies will the DUP want/get? NI obv not possible. Women and Equalities?

i assumed they had data to show boris is really unpopular and that explains why he was kept under lock and key for the entire campaign, apart from one or two instances?

May is irresponsible and arrogant enough to give DUP northern Ireland post I think. DUP might see it as a poison chalice though.

I thought pretty much everyone was kept under lock and key, at the behest of the now-departed?

SNP are mostly wee fannies but it was good when they got this even, er, wee-er fanny sacked
https://stephendaisley.com/2017/05/08/my-survival-plan-for-labour-its-not-to-get-diane-abbott-to-count-the-votes/

I imagine Boris couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut and stick to the script. Also they were gungho on picking up working class votes in the North, where Boris is perhaps not so popular as he is in Penge.

the vim is going out all over boris we shall not see it lit again in our lifetime

[a child 500 years in the future] daddy, why do we force the village idiot to eat a book every Absolute Boyday?

— kash (@badinfinitum) June 9, 2017

This is interesting on SNP -> Tory:

SNP supporters blaming some kind of Labour tactical voting for the swing to the Tories need to face up to what's happened in Scotland

— Andrew Dunn (@AnndraADunn) June 10, 2017

Boris was cracking towards the end of the election.

Do you mean "brilliant" or "losing his mind" ?

Is anyone else swallowing this Owen Jones mea culpa stuff? Like idk at 9:59pm on Thursday I was fully prepared to defend Corbyn from big losses at 5am. By 3am I felt happy but also really fucking sick of these people coming up on TV telling me the Labour 'family' had come together. Now I'm seeing the spetacle of Owen and Harris who called for him to go now turning and thinking whether they'll fuck off at the first sign of problems.

I think the only ones who stuck up with him through thick and thin were Dawn Forster and Rachel Shabi. Mae O'Hagan is getting attacked on my TL rn but I don't think she ever called for Corbyn to go.

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Boris seemed half pissed during the election campaign on a few occasions, even his *celebrated* verbosity seemed diminished! His opportunism and abandonment of principles to go with the Brexit wing and completely undisciplined ways have probably done his party career in.

his body language since the day after brexit is just broken, he looks small bloated lumpish and haunted

Sort of feel if OJ has something useful to contribute and he's prepared to show some contrition and self-awareness about how and why he got this wrong then ugh, fine, welcome back, but yeah get to the back of the queue behind the people who stuck to their guns

The people trying to be "I was completely humiliatingly, wrong about Corbyn in every imaginable way, wow. Here's what he needs to do next" can gtf in general

his body language since the day after brexit is just broken, he looks small bloated lumpish and haunted

He's a veritable embodiment of the nation! He must be our next PM!

LOL:

Boris Johnson is getting "tonnes" of MPs calling and texting saying if it all falls apart he is the only choice. He is biting his tongue

— Matt Chorley (@MattChorley) June 10, 2017

"Here's what he needs to do next" can gtf in general"

that be Campbell and Iannucci on QT last night.

i regret to inform you that clicking on matt chorley's face to enlarge it and drink it in is will worth the time and investment

high resolution photos of British right wing columnists who appear to be made entirely of ham

Poeple who were dead set against Corbyn you'd ofc ignore and laugh at. People like OJ are more in the middle but still you wouldn't listen to what they have to say in future. I know people make mistakes. Unfortunately he works full-time to provide analysis and informed commentary and you couldn't take anything OJ says seriously.

indy piece arguing that corbs and mcdonnell (and i guess milne) have made harold wilson in 1974 their model:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-ted-heath-harold-wilson-labour-party-minority-government-a7783336.html

wilson is underrated as tactiican and strategist (he won four elections) but i have several caveats abt the supposed similarities here (may as heath?) and abt where they're pointing (thatcher comes after heath)

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-election-latest-internet-regulation-downing-street-speech-manifesto-a7783186.html

is there going to be an easy way of undoing the damage she's doing once she's gone?

Was hoping the DUP coalition thing might be famous last words. Hoping that what I heard about meetings early next week might add some nails to taht coffin, but does she need to be staked too?

Heath was a chilly uncomfortable weirdo too.

weird that she seems to have modeled her laugh on his, also

Some amusing snapshots from Kensington constituency today:

*Labour voters ECSTATIC and saying now that it's gone to Labour they'll redouble efforts to keep it that way
*Akala turned up to the farmer's market today and had his ear bent by the youfdem (I congratulated him for his viral post and we chatted for a bit about Patrice Lumumba's family being mates with Corbyn).
Tory voters (farmers who are traders) are extremely demoralised!
A friend of mine who is a jewellery designer (and makes T May's statement necklaces) had nowt to say but she is posh and Greek and I suspect she doesn't have a vote anyway
Thought this thread needed to be called Bad Friday Agreement tbh

saw that joke already too often on twitter, also it's now saturday

Is the double is in the title deliberate?

this is clearly a nightmare on stilts for mummy tho

"the sometimes flashy, often innovative leadership of jeremy thorpe - who sometimes travelled between campaign events by hovercraft"

who is our jeremy thorpe

It's not impossible that Corbyn's team listened to some of Owen Jones's criticisms and reacted positively to them - I'd be surprised if he didn't have a strong connection to some in the camp, younger backroom staff especially. There's been a marked improvement in Corbyn's media performance over the last couple of months and that's not just down to campaign rules forcing TV to give him a fair hearing - he's used the platform much better. The difference between OJ and some of the others is that he was coming from a position of fundamentally wanting Corbyn/the Labour left to succeed - others were willing him to fail.

The Tories had no such figures warning Theresa May's team about their approach, certainly not before the campaign, and look what happened there.

The coverage and narrative will be very different next time - a buoyant opposition leader with his authority hugely enhanced vs a brittle PM whose authority has collapsed within their own party - the complete inverse of last time, except May has a big pile of Brexit shit to deal with. This Chris fuckwit, who I'd never heard of before today, would do well to stfu.

I still think that Boris might struggle to win over his own MPs.

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