brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

"a tidy win"

still in two competitions, lets just focus on the big european match coming up

Squeaking back into government humiliated with the backing of a far-right fringe group is like a trophy really.

I noticed that some of the historical Blasphemy acts were only abolished in '08, there might be some "fun" times ahead.

I'm sure there's a millwall joke in there somewhere xp

Judging by this, you'd have to assume that a) Tory support in modern Britain probably peaked in 2015, and b) they're about to crash headlong into a demographic ravine without a major change in direction.

Thatcherkids don't seem very fond of the Conservative Party.

We're living through strange times.

Brought my kids to football practice in Islington this morning and I have to confess I wasn't expecting this... pic.twitter.com/Fc5BhgPGot

— Giles Coren (@gilescoren) June 10, 2017

"For the first time, more than half of MPs elected to the House of Commons were educated in state comprehensive schools" (sutton trust via the guardian)

Chris Leslie on #r4today making the salient point that Labour still ended up with nearly 60 seats less than the Conservatives. #GE2017

This is astonishing - this cunt should be grateful!

this belongs in the old -- soon to closed? thread really, but

i call this painting "MONEY WELL SPENT"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB4Q80gXsAA8jIR.jpg:large

keep thinking back to the interview the second biggest boy gave after the brexit vote where he all but said labour were now on an election footing. you could see it from the easter flurry of policy announcements, which were v well handled. while our credulous media were blindsided by the snap election call, team jez seemed very well prepared and up for the fight. striking that the other day when asked about the election, he said we're going to win... now, we can quibble abt the meaning of win all you like but when he said it I believed he believed it.

"very next generation realized the stakes and spoke up"

the absolute non-boy flubs doge-speak and anyway it's all abt melt-speak these days

Wow. So good Labour stronger. So good Brutal Brexit rejected. So good next generation realized the stakes and spoke up.

— David Miliband (@DMiliband) June 9, 2017

Chris Leslie share went from 50 - 70%. Sorry you won't have a career in the shadow cabinet, now will you kindly fuck off.

There you go:

Low Value Person‏ @Mc_Heckin_Duff 2h

Even now it's fragile. We still don't know that the 13M voters who turned up this time will show up next time.
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Low Value Person‏ @Mc_Heckin_Duff 2h

But you work on trying to make it 16M, don't just say 13M wasn't bloody good enough ffs.

I'm still going to need a translation for 'second biggest boy'.

Ok. You win. I will be eating my book on Sky News at 4.30pm.

— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) June 10, 2017

^^^smallest boy

reading on FB that may in fact tried to resign yesterday and the tory grandees said "no, you go in the autumn, you're not scuttling away like yr predecessor"

so are the grandees still genuinely a thing? it was good nasty internal party-politicking that did for thatcher, not grandees

story is in the sun, i won't link it -- i suspect it these days just means "ppl in the party you've heard of", rather than an inner cabal of men in grey suits with direct links to bilderburg and/or the illuminati

more searching that me that iain duncan smith is considered a grandee by some -- this reminds me of tom ewing's pinned tweet of a while back "michael gove is not a big beast"

Nick Timothy (co-chief of staff) has resigned..

I would wait and see if she is still leader by Tuesday. The big all-MP meeting to deal with recriminations is Monday morning and polling suggests she has already lost most of the grass roots members.

She's lost the dressing room.

Fiona Hill has gone too

reading on FB that may in fact tried to resign yesterday and the tory grandees said "no, you go in the autumn, you're not scuttling away like yr predecessor"

these grandees sound scary. makes me think of the republican party meeting in the simpsons, with sideshow bob.

always a worry if they replace her they'll get a dead-eyed cat bounce in the polls

What are the chances of any sort of a dcam return after say a three, four year period

only in the guise of george i'd have thought

No way, he was never interested in politics in the first place.

i think he's quit for good

i have also (reluctantly) given up on my michael portillo long game theory

douglas hurd ftw

oh fuck there's going to be a stalking horse throwing his hat in the ring isn't here

or hers, sorry ruth

really difficult with hooves tbf

you'd kind of need to get the brim of the hat between two hooves and then you're not gonna have much leverage to throw it

it's a metaphor i think

Found out today that she's nicknamed Ruth the Mooth.

maybe if you buckarooed it off your packsaddle

TM may throw in the towel before the stalking horse has a chance to throw their hat though.

DCam is not coming back, apart from anything else they couldn't possibly afford him

Boris was cracking towards the end of the election. Nobody likes Hammond. Davis would probably go down ok within the party but not with voters. Rudd would be at huge risk of losing her seat.

Liz Truss at 25/1 might be worth a fiver.

Thought: does May drink?

"Only to excess, sir"

I think Rudd's seat can be worked around, albeit at a certain cost.

According to Peter Hitchens, Ruth is not conservative at all and a "classic liberal" which of course wouldn't be the real reason she won't be a serious leadership candidate.

Formal coalition is on then sez the Guardian. What ministry/-ies will the DUP want/get? NI obv not possible. Women and Equalities?

i assumed they had data to show boris is really unpopular and that explains why he was kept under lock and key for the entire campaign, apart from one or two instances?

May is irresponsible and arrogant enough to give DUP northern Ireland post I think. DUP might see it as a poison chalice though.

I thought pretty much everyone was kept under lock and key, at the behest of the now-departed?

SNP are mostly wee fannies but it was good when they got this even, er, wee-er fanny sacked
https://stephendaisley.com/2017/05/08/my-survival-plan-for-labour-its-not-to-get-diane-abbott-to-count-the-votes/

I imagine Boris couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut and stick to the script. Also they were gungho on picking up working class votes in the North, where Boris is perhaps not so popular as he is in Penge.

ok, but this is nonetheless the selling that is necessary, there isn't a magic route round the xmas-bloc turkey

agree, but it doesn't seem like something that can be done briefly or for the purpose of a referendum, even if you carried a new referendum. when people start talking about how to address this issue it reminds me of the post-mortems when england get knocked out of the world cup.

(especially the Economist's page!)

This is a trap street, yes?

agree to this yes (except i have no idea what the world cup is obv) -- i think we're in for the long hard haul either way

xp jim w = political editor at buzzfeed, in itself a "jetpack made of alien cheese" kind of a concept

Agree with that xps. It's everything and nothing in terms of reasons why.

There are too many different camps (all increasingly at odds with each other) within Leave to have to tailor an argument just for the purposes of winning a second referendum by a larger margin than 52%.

xps probably underrated how much of a driver for anti-tory votes animal rights stuff is.

it does seem like electoral reform could go a long way to provoking some meaningful change - the two parties contain multitudes of views that go too far along the political spectrum - a system which reduced their power and increased the chances of coalition, and led to more parties cropping up, would probably be good. but we've prob seen in recent years the strange suspicion of coalitions that exists in the uk and the perception that they are weak or a sign of a decadent state or whatever.

True, but also closet Tories/blueish-greens are big fans of OMG look what they’ve done to the elephants shares on social media (most of the women I know like this post little else).

I can handle the idea of a Buzzfeed political editor, it's Jim W who's the alien cheese

A political writer I follow was noting during the animal sentience nonsense that, despite being nonsense, it turned up all over their twitter feed, from people who have no other noticeable political opinions.

LocalGarda completely otm up and down that post.

this thread is quite long: wondering if a new one ("the day after the deadline" usw) makes sense?

during the election campaign, when May came out with her pro-foxhunting stance, the strength of the reaction- and more importantly the people doing the reacting, first made me suspect that something was happening here and I didn't know what it was, do I, Mr Jones

we wouldn't be in this shitheap if cameron didn't have to straddle positions so wildly opposed to each other that it caused the trousers of the country, entrusted to him as pm, to split.

xpost

who do ppl think is going to bring about this electoral reform, and how?

Labour could have done it after 2005, from a position of strength, having won a majority off 35% of the vote. But lol @ Blair or Brown giving a fuck

well yeah - another case of turkeys voting for christmas - however these turkeys are wilier.

xpost

xp I realise that is not exactly answering ur question

i'd like to add a "having gorged themselves on the organic feed of power" to my last metaphor pls

A few DUP ppl rt-ing Ruth Davidson's statement on the negotiations.

nu-thread iftyou want, inc."provocative: opening question to ignore:
the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

We had a referendum on it! Reversing two referenda would be a neat trick.

britons care about animals. only need to see the reaction to the tories don’t think animals are sentient meme to appreciate this. there was a tory media blitz the day after that all kicked off online

They care about animals, it's disabled people they hate.

A lot of leavers I know/have read online, seem to have reduced their argument to 'the fishermen!' and a vague notion of sovereignty.

so davis thinks that a non-customs-union, non-single-market "regulatory alignment" with the EU is going to let ireland swerve around the border issue? hmm

A NEW THREAD EXISTS PEOPLE

lol soz

here: the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

non-www link: the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions