Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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I'm not sure if I want to listen to "Lost Cause" with the bass "slamming," tbqh.

(please no jokes here about not wanting to listen to "Lost Cause" at all, tyvm)

Guy Pidgeotto (Tom Violence), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link

CAT7 made a huge difference in the melody and construction of this song

this is literally true

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link

at least they're appropriately soundtracking the performance of their own disease with that test source

Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 1 June 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link

this has to be a parody

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 1 June 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link

Parity is the least of their problems.

glenn mcdonald, Friday, 2 June 2017 01:27 (six years ago) link

- But what about CAT5. what if we made CAT5 carry the same bits at the same time?
- But these are CAT7. </Tufnel>

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 2 June 2017 04:45 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Am looking to buy an old 1970s amp off eBay, but have read on forums and the like a lot of chatter about pairing certain turntables with certain amps. Is this snake-oil-esque nonsense, or do I really have to tread carefully here?

Senator Luther Strange (stevie), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link

sounds kind of dumb, unless they're talking about newer turntables that have the phono preamp in the turntable rather than relying on that in the amp, as most older ones had

mh, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I think it's kind of people who are "hi-fi experts" indulging their hi-fi expertism. My hearing's pole-axed by two decades of gigs so I just want one that sounds good and has VU meters why because they are KOOL

Senator Luther Strange (stevie), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link

I mean... different things can sound different together but I you gotta remember forum posters are all the type who have loud, violent opinions about what are, to most people, minor differences. I wouldn't sweat it too much.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:25 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Have been scanning various forums to try and remedy some issues with my turntable, which have been discussed on various ILX hi-fi threads passim, but I have broken through into the world of protractors, inner groove distortion and force scale gauges. I have no idea what is snake oil or what is real now, up is down, right is wrong and I am baffled as shit and wishing there were evening classes in Turntable Repair like there used to be for simple car mechanics.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link

you've probably got some demonic electrons trapped in your amp, you're gonna need to get an acoustic exorcist to take a look at it but i warn you it ain't gonna be cheap

frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:24 (six years ago) link

:(

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/Mapleshade-Static-Draining-Brush/productinfo/SDBRUSH/

MAYBE this thing makes sense for vinyl, but for CDs??

DJI, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:53 (six years ago) link

I think they would have more fun spending money on drugs and listening to music than buying a brush.

earlnash, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:57 (six years ago) link

Utter bullshit, a static charge is unable to affect how light reflects from an optical discs's binary pits. Even for LPs the issue with static is attracting dust, not some magical effect on the needle in the groove.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:58 (six years ago) link

*disc's - sigh

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 05:58 (six years ago) link

This Stooges box set with 9 different takes on "Dirt" sounds so exquisite on this black tar heroin in this old 90s boombox after I sold my McIntosh poweramp to Big Al up in Stuebensville. While not as definitively high fi, the boombox's aurual distortion along with the nodding out pulls out a true extension of the artist intentions.

earlnash, Tuesday, 14 November 2017 06:10 (six years ago) link

getting closer to the pure source

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 06:15 (six years ago) link

Awesome audiophile hash oil I have known and loved

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

My audiophile work colleague has just had his oven replaced and has now got an induction hob. Not only is it great for cooking he swears that his hi-fi sounds better, he thinks the old cooker was tainting the power supply.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link

yeah that sounds legit, def won’t lead to him tearing down the walls of his home in the middle of the night in search of the problematic electrons which are causing some weird trebly flutters on his copy of kind of blue

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link

the cracks, whistles, hums, and whooshes had crisper mids supported by a thicker, more robust low end
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00060832/

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link

hahaha

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link

thank you SG for these laughs

mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link

Serious question here:
I visited a record dealer once, and he had what looked to be quite a high-end turntable.
Rather than being mounted on a conventional plinth, it seemed like the turntable was sitting on top of some bizarre miniature waterbed or something, free to sway from side to side ever so slightly.
I don't think I'd call it snake oil, though, as the turntable did sound really amazing.
Anybody have any idea what this actually is? I don't recall the brand name.

mirostones, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link

I've heard of some turntables suspended on a thin later of an oil or gel type substance but that shit is generally some super high end stuff

bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/reddit-audiophiles-test-homepod-say-it-sounds-better-than-1000-speaker/

In-depth test says $350 speaker has a "near-perfectly flat frequency response."

kind of makes me want to try these myself

papa poutine (∞), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link

I'd love to get a HomePod, but it works only with Apple Music or songs you bought from iTunes. It won't play songs you've burned from CDs.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link

uh what

mh, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link

I guess for voice control maybe, but you can stream to it from any of your devices, and I believe it works fine with iTunes Match. That's kind of a racket in that it's $15/year but hey, you're streaming

mh, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link

lol audiophile snake oil + apple fanboy delusions what a combo

it's apple, i guarantee there are already like a dozen speakers like that half as much and just as good

this is like when they "invented" wireless earbuds

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link

the earbuds are really good though

mh, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link

I think the apple superfan claim is generally that apple didn't necessarily invent anything, just that whatever the thing is, it was no good until Apple did it

mh, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link

I've been working with Apple guys for years, I'm glad you like them, for $159 I certainly hope you do.

It's a religion at this point there's no point in arguing.

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link

i actually had a chance to use the earbuds

they sound very nice and has a weirdly good bass response

papa poutine (∞), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link

have*

but i also just use my german maestro gmp 8.5d's most of the time

papa poutine (∞), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link

I guess for voice control maybe, but you can stream to it from any of your devices
Well, what I've been reading says otherwise. "If you add music to your home iTunes library that was not acquired through a purchase, HomePod will not be able to access it." (Link below.) That means about 99 percent of the music in my library can't be played through this speaker. I tried Apple Music for about a month, but it screwed up my existing library so I dumped it.
https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/23/homepod-can-play-purchased-itunes-music-podcasts-and-stream-beats-1-without-apple-music-subscription/

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link

hard to believe that two play:1s (or ones?) as a stereo pair wouldn't be preferable for the price of one homepod

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link

it acts as a normal airplay speaker
AirPlaying content to HomePod is obviously unrestricted.
the article isn’t clear but they’re talking about what works via siri

you can run spotify or whatever on a phone, or even have it act as an apple tv speaker and play stuff there

mh, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link

I think they’re trying to frame it in terms of the amazon/google devices that can link to multiple music services natively (“alexa, play X artist on spotify”) as opposed to using it as a speaker you just stream things to

mh, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link

I've seen this confusion a lot in the media, which is understandable - the set of what you can tell the speaker to do is smaller than what the speaker can actually do. I guess Siri, being a cloud agent, has no idea what mp3s you have on your machine, but only knows about the files associated with your iCloud account

If I didn't already have a killer speaker that does things the homepod can't do - be wireless, have an input jack - I'd be all over this thing, I don't care how lobotomized the 'home speaker' aspect is, since I hate that stuff and never use it

Brakhage, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link

Er, 'wireless' = 'battery-powered'

Brakhage, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link

the real time and automatic spectral flattening is interesting (and not new, I don't think). But I wonder if there's a more advanced analysis that accounts for the fact that the microphone is located at the speaker and not actually where you are listening. I enjoy thinking about the room correction problem, but I generally don't care about it when listening. It would probably drive me crazy imagining that my speaker might be messing with its spectral response as I'm listening at any given moment. maybe you can turn it off.

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link

xpost OK, maybe I'm not understanding. So I can play anything in my iTunes library on a HomePod, just like I do now through AppleTV (using AirPlay)?

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link

yup

it’s an airplay speaker with siri built in and some other “smart” audio correction

mh, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link

room correction for spectral flatness might be good for removing extreme notches or peaks, but I don't think a mastering engineer assumes you'll be listening on a speaker that is spectrally flat. he/she is already making compromises to accommodate various listening environments. so you are better off using measurements to prove snake oil, i.e. if a thing doesn't change the measurement it doesn't actually do anything. but you should use your own ears, music, and listening environment to decide if speakers actually sound good to you. you have your own filter curve the speaker can't know, anyhow.

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link

I'm sure that you can train an EQ AI in some piece of software to try and account for your internal filter curve, though

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link

yup
it’s an airplay speaker with siri built in and some other “smart” audio correction

Thanks. I need to look into iTunes Match, which may be the way to go for me since most of my digitalized music was burned from CDs.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link

I joined Apple Music a couple of months ago and had no problem with it doing the matching with my juuuuust-under 100 000 songs (that's the limit for matching). it uploaded a bunch of stuff but lots of that is stuff they have but it didn't recognize my metadata. I'm hoping that I will get over caring about metadata with this thing because I have wasted a lot of time on that over the years.

not gonna get a homepad though

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link


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