Honestly, there is very little about all these Russian investigations that weren't brought up months ago (go figure). People don't give a shit, because they are ignorant or assholes or just going about their lives.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link
Nothing Clinton will say will change anybody's mind (did Al Gore change anyone's mind when he protested the Iraq War?) but she doesn't have to shut up.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
I think Al Gore's movie had an effect, tbh. Lotta good it did, but it did have an effect.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:03 (six years ago) link
Shifting from his previous blanket denials, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Thursday that “patriotically minded” private Russian hackers could have been involved in cyberattacks last year to help the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
"in charge"
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:01 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Alfred the Clintons are an institution which for most of the last few decades has been interchangeable with the DNC. Hillary was the party nominee. It seems naive to imagine that by speaking out she will she be received as anything other than the official voice of the opposition.
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
we shouldn't pretend it's going to win any Democrats any new votesis anyone pretending this
is anyone pretending this
it's only the point of doing anything that's not just offering up more grist for the cable news mill.
― evol j, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
“patriotically minded” private Russian hackers - spies like us
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
there is nothing productive any Clinton can do at this point but disappear
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
I don't mean to conflate the debate over everyone still piling on Hillary with this idea that she's going to be a meaningful voice in the resistance. in other words, I find the link Alfred posted from The Week a lot more otm than the Pierce excerpt.
― evol j, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
It seems naive to imagine that by speaking out she will she be received as anything other than the official voice of the opposition.
Ha – isn't it naive to think she will be received as the official voice of the opposition?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
I find the link Alfred posted from The Week a lot more otm than the Pierce excerpt.
I agree. I was more interested in his take on The Clinton Rules.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
it will be interesting (though more like just "depressing") to see how the next serious (Democratic) female candidate for president is treated. because I do think a lot of people were able to mask (even to themselves, perhaps) outright misogyny with a general distaste for The Clintons as a decades-long political reality. Pocahontas memes aren't going to provide nearly as much cover.
― evol j, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:13 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, I think this is the stupid, default narrative w/ opposing teams that the media defaults to
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
It doesn't matter. It's all in Mueller and God's hands.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link
the Clintons are an institution which for most of the last few decades has been interchangeable with the DNC.
Interesting definitions of "most" "few" and "interchangeable" here
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
i sort of hate the tendency among (presumably moderate) democrats to pillory those among them who successfully arouse the ire of fuckheads. "shut up, hillary, you're only making them mad." or all those goddam thinkpieces about the alienation of angry red state bigots. like god forbid we antagonize the klan.
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
this thread so far in a nutshell
http://live.francetvinfo.fr/uploads/2016/8/17/1/57b3a5ed66747662ac840000.gif
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
If that dude was Trump he'd still somehow win.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
that's the spirit
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
if that dude was violet jynx he'd still somehow post
― mookieproof, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:27 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The DNC has been populated by Clintonites since 1992, not sure what's so interesting abt the langauge
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link
I think his point is that we haven't even reached "a few" decades
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
it will be interesting ... to see how the next serious (Democratic) female candidate for president is treated. because I do think a lot of people were able to mask ... outright misogyny with a general distaste for The Clintons...
― evol j, Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:20 AM (seven minutes ago)
it'll be interesting, yeah, but i wouldn't take her example as bellwether. she's a uniquely powerful hate magnet, even among those who would otherwise support her party & policies, even among those willing to overlook bill's many flaws. misogyny can't be separated from that, but it's not the whole story. and she ran a bad campaign, and she made some terrible early decisions re that stupid fucking email nonsense, and comey conspired with the russians to shank her, and the democrats quietly bailed on the american worker two decades ago, and trump's idiot savant news cycle dominance powers gave him a massive edge from day one. etc.
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
xpost 2.5 decades is a few
― President Keyes, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
Interesting definition of 'populated' there. But so many things are interesting when you speak ESL.
Is Hadrian American?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
she made some terrible early decisions re that stupid fucking email nonsense
a mistake that her predecessors made too but didn't have "Clinton" as a last name?
Her campaign was no worse than anybody else's. Her campaign sucked because she lost.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
can someone ping me when you guys have this figured out finally, gonna check out for awhile
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
I'm gonna get the papers get the papers
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
Hey Frederik is go fuck yourself native enough?
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
I'm fine with someone else making the cofefe houses joke, but to the extent HRC has an audience, 1) she shouldn't stoop to DJT's level, and 2) there are much bigger problems to address than DJT, which the election simply made visible.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
Thought experiment, what could Hillary Rawham Clinton done differently to won the election (the 2016 election for presidetn of USA of america)? I'm asking for a friend but I think this could generate some very interesting conversation!
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
been remixed by Justin Bieber
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
I don't watch sports, but do those ESPN guys larp their way through last year's Super Bowl every day?
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
Dude fans of the losing team larp through a Super Bowl loss for the rest of their lives
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
...a mistake that her predecessors made too but didn't have "Clinton" as a last name?
spicer attempts to defend kushner by saying back channels are sop. they are, of course, but that's irrelevant. the existence of this particular "channel" is suspicious in light of the comically obvious.
hillary's email habits were unremarkable. but in the early days of her campaign, under intensely public scrutiny and with the myth of clinton dishonesty already well established, she chose again and again to stall, deny and half-disclose. guilty of nothing, she did everything possible to keep keep doubt alive.
and okay, fine, no mas
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
Guys guys I heard you were discussing what Hilary did wrong itt I came right over, where we at?
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
her wedding
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
Ironic to see Hadrian VIII complaining about dynasty imo
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
Had HRC run on issues rather than character, she might have won. Most of Trump's voters knew he was a repugnant person.
But the great flaw was in the Democratic leadership and fundraising. There were many potential candidates that were deterred from entering the race due to the perceived insurmountable lead HRC had, and none were weighed down decades of calumnies. I'm not sure Sanders could have won facing the ton of (R) oppo during the general, but others like Jim Webb certainly could have.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
Hillery should have gotten with the patriotic russioan hackers
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
Jim Webb is human garbage who looks like a Dick Tracy villain and should be sealed in a barrel and floated out to sea.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, June 1, 2017 4:25 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
A+
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
The problem being that the systems and mindsets that led to the loss are still in place.
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
why anyone expends any positive energy on politicians to the right of Warren remains a mystery to me
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
some comic relief from across the pond
The mayor of Manchester, a member of the Labor Party, learnedly explains that the US and UK never intervened in the mideast before 9/11 pic.twitter.com/n51OzuJVkV— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) June 1, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
Iron Law of Institutions?
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
XP to simon: because they run everything?
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
also
Yeah, the Paris accords are pretty weak stuff, but the enlightened wing of the business class is freaking out. pic.twitter.com/jc3gMWybO2— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) June 1, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
Rolling Stone: 'Donald Trump' Tops List of New Meth Nicknames
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
I missed the part where Jim Webb was "deterred from entering the race." Could have sworn I saw him in the first debate.
― kajagoogoo's kazooist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link