Trump, June 2017: From [Covfefe] with Love

I think grawlix has a bullseye

kinda amused by this idea that Hillary has a responsibility to win over people who irrationally hate her and don't care about reason or logic

Hey let's try to build consensus that Trump is a puppet of Vladimir Putin, we'll put in charge the person who said exactly that on national television six months ago, that'll get the message over

Yeah, but she was just saying that to get elected, man. Now that she lost, people might listen to her.

"in charge"

we shouldn't pretend it's going to win any Democrats any new votes

is anyone pretending this

Honestly, there is very little about all these Russian investigations that weren't brought up months ago (go figure). People don't give a shit, because they are ignorant or assholes or just going about their lives.

Nothing Clinton will say will change anybody's mind (did Al Gore change anyone's mind when he protested the Iraq War?) but she doesn't have to shut up.

I think Al Gore's movie had an effect, tbh. Lotta good it did, but it did have an effect.

Shifting from his previous blanket denials, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Thursday that “patriotically minded” private Russian hackers could have been involved in cyberattacks last year to help the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump.

"in charge"

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:01 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Alfred the Clintons are an institution which for most of the last few decades has been interchangeable with the DNC. Hillary was the party nominee. It seems naive to imagine that by speaking out she will she be received as anything other than the official voice of the opposition.

we shouldn't pretend it's going to win any Democrats any new votes

is anyone pretending this

it's only the point of doing anything that's not just offering up more grist for the cable news mill.

“patriotically minded” private Russian hackers - spies like us

there is nothing productive any Clinton can do at this point but disappear

I don't mean to conflate the debate over everyone still piling on Hillary with this idea that she's going to be a meaningful voice in the resistance. in other words, I find the link Alfred posted from The Week a lot more otm than the Pierce excerpt.

It seems naive to imagine that by speaking out she will she be received as anything other than the official voice of the opposition.

Ha – isn't it naive to think she will be received as the official voice of the opposition?

I find the link Alfred posted from The Week a lot more otm than the Pierce excerpt.

I agree. I was more interested in his take on The Clinton Rules.

it will be interesting (though more like just "depressing") to see how the next serious (Democratic) female candidate for president is treated. because I do think a lot of people were able to mask (even to themselves, perhaps) outright misogyny with a general distaste for The Clintons as a decades-long political reality. Pocahontas memes aren't going to provide nearly as much cover.

It seems naive to imagine that by speaking out she will she be received as anything other than the official voice of the opposition.

Ha – isn't it naive to think she will be received as the official voice of the opposition?

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:13 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, I think this is the stupid, default narrative w/ opposing teams that the media defaults to

It doesn't matter. It's all in Mueller and God's hands.

the Clintons are an institution which for most of the last few decades has been interchangeable with the DNC.

Interesting definitions of "most" "few" and "interchangeable" here

i sort of hate the tendency among (presumably moderate) democrats to pillory those among them who successfully arouse the ire of fuckheads. "shut up, hillary, you're only making them mad." or all those goddam thinkpieces about the alienation of angry red state bigots. like god forbid we antagonize the klan.

this thread so far in a nutshell

http://live.francetvinfo.fr/uploads/2016/8/17/1/57b3a5ed66747662ac840000.gif

If that dude was Trump he'd still somehow win.

that's the spirit

if that dude was violet jynx he'd still somehow post

the Clintons are an institution which for most of the last few decades has been interchangeable with the DNC.

Interesting definitions of "most" "few" and "interchangeable" here

― El Tomboto, Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:27 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The DNC has been populated by Clintonites since 1992, not sure what's so interesting abt the langauge

I think his point is that we haven't even reached "a few" decades

it will be interesting ... to see how the next serious (Democratic) female candidate for president is treated. because I do think a lot of people were able to mask ... outright misogyny with a general distaste for The Clintons...

― evol j, Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:20 AM (seven minutes ago)

it'll be interesting, yeah, but i wouldn't take her example as bellwether. she's a uniquely powerful hate magnet, even among those who would otherwise support her party & policies, even among those willing to overlook bill's many flaws. misogyny can't be separated from that, but it's not the whole story. and she ran a bad campaign, and she made some terrible early decisions re that stupid fucking email nonsense, and comey conspired with the russians to shank her, and the democrats quietly bailed on the american worker two decades ago, and trump's idiot savant news cycle dominance powers gave him a massive edge from day one. etc.

xpost 2.5 decades is a few

Interesting definition of 'populated' there. But so many things are interesting when you speak ESL.

Is Hadrian American?

she made some terrible early decisions re that stupid fucking email nonsense

a mistake that her predecessors made too but didn't have "Clinton" as a last name?

Her campaign was no worse than anybody else's. Her campaign sucked because she lost.

can someone ping me when you guys have this figured out finally, gonna check out for awhile

I'm gonna get the papers get the papers

Hey Frederik is go fuck yourself native enough?

I'm fine with someone else making the cofefe houses joke, but to the extent HRC has an audience, 1) she shouldn't stoop to DJT's level, and 2) there are much bigger problems to address than DJT, which the election simply made visible.

Thought experiment, what could Hillary Rawham Clinton done differently to won the election (the 2016 election for presidetn of USA of america)? I'm asking for a friend but I think this could generate some very interesting conversation!

been remixed by Justin Bieber

I don't watch sports, but do those ESPN guys larp their way through last year's Super Bowl every day?

Dude fans of the losing team larp through a Super Bowl loss for the rest of their lives

...a mistake that her predecessors made too but didn't have "Clinton" as a last name?

spicer attempts to defend kushner by saying back channels are sop. they are, of course, but that's irrelevant. the existence of this particular "channel" is suspicious in light of the comically obvious.

hillary's email habits were unremarkable. but in the early days of her campaign, under intensely public scrutiny and with the myth of clinton dishonesty already well established, she chose again and again to stall, deny and half-disclose. guilty of nothing, she did everything possible to keep keep doubt alive.

and okay, fine, no mas

Guys guys I heard you were discussing what Hilary did wrong itt I came right over, where we at?

her wedding

Ironic to see Hadrian VIII complaining about dynasty imo

Had HRC run on issues rather than character, she might have won. Most of Trump's voters knew he was a repugnant person.

But the great flaw was in the Democratic leadership and fundraising. There were many potential candidates that were deterred from entering the race due to the perceived insurmountable lead HRC had, and none were weighed down decades of calumnies. I'm not sure Sanders could have won facing the ton of (R) oppo during the general, but others like Jim Webb certainly could have.

Hillery should have gotten with the patriotic russioan hackers

Jim Webb is human garbage who looks like a Dick Tracy villain and should be sealed in a barrel and floated out to sea.

Ironic to see Hadrian VIII complaining about dynasty imo

― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, June 1, 2017 4:25 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A+

I don't watch sports, but do those ESPN guys larp their way through last year's Super Bowl every day?

The problem being that the systems and mindsets that led to the loss are still in place.

why anyone expends any positive energy on politicians to the right of Warren remains a mystery to me