Rolling "Gamers are digusting savages" topic

Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)? is what you 'want', Neil.

okay so let me try and parse this out

these idiots are butthurt because they paid money for previous ubisoft games in the name of 'innovation' while scorning the fact that they were 'multicutural lectures' aimed at 'degenerates and miscegenators' yet somehow, despite that, managed to appeal to a broad userbase of mainly americans

and now things have gone too far, somehow

I'm going to start blaming Ubisoft for my romantic rejections from now on.

this currently has 313 signatures btw

also this striking paragraph

Change the villains. It’s not so hard, really. Just change the villains to something more realistic. Islam is on the rise in America, as is the violence of inner city gangs. Are you scared to do so? In the words of Boltair – “To learn who rules you, simply find out who’s not being criticized.”

i assume they mean voltaire but there's apparently a 'furry artist and fursuiter' out there called talliy boltair and this is a gamergate petition so any of the usual assumptions about reality really need to be jettisoned at the first opportunity

Actually it really gets going after that: "In these times, you must understand that there might be some violent repurcussions if you intend to follow through with your pointless criticism."

Also quotes Voltaire, though quotes him as 'Boltair'

There's a stepped list of things that can be done to fix it, in order of most to least changes, which makes it sounds like bargaining (which it would be if they had any power). So 1) Make the villains black/muslim 2) Keep them as American Christians but throw in some non-whites 3) is a beauty: keep them as white god-botherers but:

Have the villains simply be misguided patriots forced into making their own nation vs. the will of an oppressive over-government, construed of all the people they turn their wrath against in their immediate surroundings. Their brutal physical and sexual violence towards their oppressors will then be explained as a reaction to harsh government policies and taxation, to show that both sides are wrong.

4) is fine fine let it play like that in France, but "You gotta play your market. Change the setting to Canada for America. ... We Americans have so few games to call our own, and we’re tired of losing them to multi-cultural bullshit."

NB: Far Cry 5 is being made by Ubisoft Montreal.

xxp sadly they may not have their demands met :-(

Thanks Andrew!

this is so on-the-nose i can't tell if it's parody or not

xp yes I am more familiar with talliy boltair than I was half an hour ago, in my salad days.

together we'll find the strength to get through this

In the immortal words of Boltair, 'No, mom, I told you to get the sausage Pizza Rolls, not pepperoni! God, I hate living here!'

this is yer man boltair's twitter avi fyi

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/748724142661332992/H5sYV-qm.jpg

and yeah, his twitter is every bit the queasy fusion of alt-right memes and gaming detritus you'd expect

a true intellectual heir to Hume, Kant and Diderot

or should that be "intellectual hare" sorry

his alt account seems to contain most of the real weird furry shit - he appears to be into fat furries

One more for #TummyTuesday #FatBunnyAgendaStyle

Help me pop that last button? #SendIceCreamPlease pic.twitter.com/HE78HJWOGX

— Rounded Bunny Gut (@DessertGunBunny) October 7, 2015

brb gonna seek psychological support

#TummyTuesday

oppa Fat Bunny Agenda Style

boltair does seem the type to yell at a butt

it is with a heavy heart i come to the realisation that there is almost certainly a furry-themed gangnam style parody video out there somewhere :(

oh

oh god

oh god no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Iux1zfrQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C2pSSpMz7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiF6Wl_0TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lhRKSAJ-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL2t-8RjTzQ

this nightmarish discovery is going to fuck up my youtube recommendations for years to come isn't it

In the words of Boltair is incredible, i didn't skip a beat and assumed this had to be either a video game character (maybe a Transformer?) and/or an alt-right Pepe Twitter person, hero of the continuing Gamergate underground survivors, named after such a character

lol at suggesting they change the game for America, coming right on the heels of complaining about "the outright censorship of art through 'localization' policies"

i think what they really mean by that is that they can't buy hentai games at target

i just looked up the premise for the game and its not even nearly as outrage-baiting as i expected

no shit

lmao bizarro

FIVE videos

no way am I clicking on any of them but lmao

there's a lot more out there, trust me

i have looked into the abyss

lol old lunch

BOLTAIR

I'M LOSING IT

kinda thought that was a sign this was a troll but it's too good

BOLTAIR's MANDIDE

usain boltair has won three 100m golds in the furry olympics iirc

ok fr it's way more likely one of these chuds would know it was "Voltaire" by sight but, never having heard it irl, thinks it's pronounced "VOL-tar-RAY" or something

candide, rhymes with carbide

i think you're giving these chuds too much credit, there's way more chance they've heard of some furry gamer than a dead frenchman

the voltaire quote probably shows up on boltair's gamertag or something

imagine if television formed today and young thomas miller decided to name himself like 'tom bearlaine' after some fucking hero of the furry gaming community

In the words of Mark Twang, 'It's the right thing to do and the tasty way to do it.'

https://heatst.com/gaming/journalists-fall-for-fake-far-cry-5-petition-bash-video-gamers-as-dangerous-racists/

but its heat street so its probs bullshit and i already regret clicking on it

'Dangerous' is a stretch. Unless you count the potential for retaliatory swatting.

an alternative, some might say the correct, way to look at this is that gamers have proved to be such a vocal bunch of whining, entitled pissbabies that the parody petition was indistinguishable from any actually legit gamergate-aligned petition

'I can't believe you fell for that practical joke where I told you I'd never enjoyed the erotic touch of another human being! What a sucker you are!'

if there was no video evidence i would be hard pressed to believe there are fux0rs recording themselves playing video games for 5+ hours and babbling endlessly about garbage and hundreds of people watching and listening

pro tip, anybody who describes GamerGate as "the consumer-driven movement for ethics in games journalism" is vermin and can be safely ignored

The Guild Wars community (air quotes) just harassed a female developer (and a male developer who stood up for her) out of a job for being uppity enough to call out what she felt was a gender-related microaggression.

Here is the completely unremarkable exchange that sparked the shitstorm:

Today in being a female game dev:

"Allow me--a person who does not work with you--explain to you how you do your job." https://t.co/lmK0yJWqGB

— Jessica Price (@Delafina777) July 4, 2018

The gamers cried, a lot: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/8w3q4n/must_be_a_thrill_to_work_with_this_dev/?st=jj9bes2e&sh=7f012da4

The company that makes the game rolled over: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/586426#Comment_586426

I don't play this game, just noticed a link related to it. This kind of thing probably happens so often that it's become unremarkable.

I play a lot of video games--too much, honestly, more than I want to--and I have since I was like 5 years old, and I think it is fucking creepy that "gamer" has become something that can form the core of a person's identity. Gamer culture, such as it is, is fucking fascistic.

I dunno. Read through all that and it seems to me like the dev freaked out on him for seemingly no reason. He wasn't being an asshole to her in his reply. And while the shitstorm did bring out a few pretty unfortunate gamergate stereotypes, most replies were just criticizing her for being rude to him instead of engaging in conversation with his points like a normal person would.

Being rude to a customer should definitely get you and your friends fired, every time

Who the fuck still plays Guild Wars

In rare agreement with El T here. Grousing yr customers is petty and childish but OTOH who gives a shit? Men get to play the grumpy card every fucking day. A good manager should be comfortable with their employee fucking up occasionally. Just say "hey don't do that so much" and leave it at that.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that her response was absolutely fine. It just seems weird to still be focusing on that when the retaliation from the community was so crazy.

the specifics of the industry they're in makes a bit of back and forth with online "customers" way more appropriate/less of a big deal too imo. it's not like she was, say, the head of state just blathering the most offensive shit that drifted thru her head at all and sundry

That dude tweeter is not 'innocent', that is 100% mansplaining.

it really isn't unless your definition is so utterly wide that it includes any man who disagrees with a woman and voices that disagreement.

i think she was being a jerk and it wasn't called for, but i also don't think she deserved to be fired over it.

It's not just disagreeing, it's disagreeing with her about how she should do her job. It's the lack of respect for her credentials and experience. And when it happens each and every day, you're bound to lose your head every now and then.

Also when the suggestion is “moar branching dialogue trees” it’s like, are you twelve?

people LOVE branching dialogue, it’s so much fun saving before every NPC convo so you can min-max the options, yes, great, put more of that in the game

Basically they want their AAA games to be accorded universal respect.

this is particularly sad because the voice acting and stories in AAA games are generally on the level of a pretty good high school production

It's not just disagreeing, it's disagreeing with her about how she should do her job. It's the lack of respect for her credentials and experience. And when it happens each and every day, you're bound to lose your head every now and then.

the idea that he shouldn't express disagreement with her about game design because she's a professional game designer and he's just some guy who plays games seems silly to me - of course laypeople can have opinions about computer games, it's not like they're talking about string theory or something

"It's not just disagreeing, it's disagreeing with her about how she should do her job. It's the lack of respect for her credentials and experience. And when it happens each and every day, you're bound to lose your head every now and then.

― Frederik B, Monday, July 9, 2018 3:55 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

he was disagreeing on a design point. like you should be able to critique creative decisions even if you are not a designer/filmmaker/musician/whatever, we do it all the time. and with stuff like game development, as shitty as some of it is, processing community feedback is part of the gig. i just don't get any whiff of condescension there, guy (regardless of quality of his take) seemed to just want to have a discussion.

I have no idea why a woman in the gaming industry would be so defensive.

lol @ all the men in this thread not getting why a female in a male dominated industry might just lose her shit a little once in a while because this stuff only happens EVERY DAY.

Good thread

So, because it seems a lot of people are having trouble with it, I'm going to talk about Jessica Price and ArenaNet.

— John Teasdale (@beaglerush) July 11, 2018

Yes

This 👏 is 👏 sexism. This is what it looks like. If you look at this situation and join the mob of people sympathizing with that "poor, innocent man", it is my firm belief that you are, excuse the saying, part of the fucking problem.

— John Teasdale (@beaglerush) July 11, 2018

that is an excellent thread

excellent thread with a real mixed bag of replies. anyone who identifies as a gamer is to be watched tbh

really not feeling this gamertag self-hatred

you're just leaving "gamer" to millions of players who shouldn't just be lumped in with sexist/racist assholes

Sometimes it's just not possible to reclaim a term. But yes, a good thread, probably getting hi lots of hate atm.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/13/17566068/banned-twitch-streamers-youtube-slurs-language

...others argued that terms like “gay” and “fag” evolved online. People claim that because the terms are used so often online, and supposedly without any malice, then our own understanding of how these words should be able to change. This argues kids who grow up on the internet, and see words like “gay” and “fag” slung around as casual supplements for words like stupid, frustrating, or annoying, wouldn’t think twice about using a slur because it’s not how the word was introduced into their vocabulary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jy6Ob1WDBE

I wish that project was a tad less edgelordy

yeah, i agree; the obsession with copypasta hobbles it a bit.