The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

EPISODE 4 TALK

interminable scenes of dougdale/Lucy/Andy being aliens

most of this stuff didn't work imo. dale getting stuck in the revolving door was fantastic, but the casino bit went on far too long (cooper's not mentally checked in, we know, really dave, we get it), and the whole bunny scene with hawk was a total misfire.

at least episode 4 ends with the feeling that the narrative strands are starting to come together. until the last 15 minutes it felt like several movies all playing at once.

also re the alan partridge discussion in the other thread: due to age, andy's face looks awfully like when alan is suddenly pissed off about something.

They seem to be doubling down on the scene in the missing pieces where everyone in the sheriffs station is really spaced out. I wasn't on board at first but horse & forster made it work for me & by the time cera showed up I was loving it - "except when it's cloudy, or at night". (There seems to be a slight suggestion that he has inherited some of the pretensions of his possible biological father)

I'm a little shell shocked tbh. I loved the look, sound & feel of this, felt properly extreme & nightmarish, but turning it over in my head it feels like something is lacking - it feels very vast and inhuman, like it was literally made by aliens. These two weirdos have both drifted quite far from where they were before, & ultra-frostian cosmic sci-fi, literalism & overabundance of story fits weirdly into ultra-lynchian incomprehensibility - or maybe I'm afraid that those things are replacing lynch's vaguenesses that evoke very specific emotions.

Idk I feel like frost actually used to be v good at writing for coopers guides, but MIKE in the red room being like "ok here's what's going on & what you need to do next - remember your doppelgänger? Well," when previously even outside the lodge he couldn't explain living above a convenience store without sounding uncanny; also bad coop explaining the black lodge to random goon.

Otoh the giant's dialogue was great, idk it could just be that I stayed up all night & am hollowed out a bit. Just not feeling much on an emotional level other than jaw-clamping tension. It actually reminds me of mulholland dr a bit, where for the whole 1st hr or so I'm just on edge the entire time. I'm hoping that in the next 14hrs (!) we get more of the emotional connection to characters that I get with that & all other lynch films

Relatively sparse music might be contributing to this too.

To be clear I adore this but also feel weird about it & like it's walking a tightrope & I may end up kinda hating it.

Real Dougie is best character tho

(There seems to be a slight suggestion that he has inherited some of the pretensions of his possible biological father)

i'd completely forgotten about that. i wasn't feeling that scene at all but in hindsight it makes sense.

turning it over in my head it feels like something is lacking - it feels very vast and inhuman, like it was literally made by aliens.

there's no warmth at all. the original series, for all its faults, was packed with rich and deep characters. here the same characters are largely going from point to point because the plot demands it. evil dale is cold and cruel, hawk is cold and analytical, gordon is cold and inquisitive, etc etc etc etc. even denise came across cold. lucy and andy are relatively warm but so far they're the comic relief and little more.

but MIKE in the red room being like "ok here's what's going on & what you need to do next - remember your doppelgänger? Well,"

yeah, it was all a bit obvious, with mike and laura explaining stuff in such detail that it felt like they were talking not to dale but to us. i don't expect lynch to come at me with the cliffs notes, especially when the rest of the show does the exact opposite.

also the brain tree (despite being a great set piece) felt a bit like someone said to lynch "you do you" and he did.

it sounds like i'm complaining a lot (and i am) but on the whole i enjoyed the hell out of this. it's nothing like anything, even twin peaks, and as long as it's doing something interesting and new i'm all in.

just quoting myself for a second:

i don't expect lynch to come at me with the cliffs notes

is it possible that we're seeing the lynch-frost seam here? i'm guessing frost has over-egged the dialogue and lynch has just gone with it.

also, dale drinking the coffee and snapping back into dale was perfect. i smiled so hard my face split open.

There's the log lady, bobby's tears and the roadhouse and I think we will get to an emotional centre at some point

But yeah who am I kidding this is dazzling. The thing in the David Blaine cage, the thing in the cell, woman's head on man's body, everything in buckhorn, bad dale using the dictaphone, the playing card, all the gnarly digital effects, that room with the eyeless woman - it's just too much

Btw did hawk see something out at Glastonbury grove? He doesn't mention anything to anyone

re: warmth, I feel like that's all gonna come from the original characters, most of whom we've still spent very little time with.

I like that they're actually giving Hawk stuff to do, he mostly just stands around in the original series

So yeah these episodes so far are fucking insane. I'm in awe.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4xIy1rlJKs

Words I never thought I would say: the Michael Cera bit was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time!

I can't decide if I hope we never see Wally again or if the entire rest of the show should be about him

The thing in the David Blaine cage

everything about that box was delicious. maybe i'm analysing too hard, but i thought lynch was either (a) telling the audience to persevere because something will happen soon or (b) taking the piss out of viewers who've been waiting for this show to start and having no idea what to expect.

There's the log lady, bobby's tears and the roadhouse and I think we will get to an emotional centre at some point

i mean not that i want to set an expectation on this but yeah, it seems we're coming into it from a real sharp angle

Some of the quibbles here aren't incorrect upon thinking about it, but none of that really registered while watching these. First and foremost this is utterly hypnotizing. Totally sucked in.

And I'm not sure how alienating this is? I was watching this with a handful of people who had little or no connection to the show and they were glued to it too.

i don't know if this is precisely the case but i do appreciate that evil dale seems stuck between cooper's actual personality, believing that he is truly undercover, and being an unencumbered source of evil, basically just like leland

Some of the quibbles here aren't incorrect upon thinking about it, but none of that really registered while watching these. First and foremost this is utterly hypnotizing. Totally sucked in.

I went back to remind myself of how it opened and from the moment I saw that slowed-down shot of the screaming girl from the pilot I was enthralled all over again & ended up rewatching all of parts 1-3 so yeah turns out I just love this

Part 3 with the pink planet, eyeless woman, ronette pulaski(! I think) on the sofa, the "mother" banging on the door, major briggs floating head, electrical sockets, rancid garmonbozia puke, dougie in the red room: a masterpiece

yeah, pretty much immediately in the pantheon of Great Lynch Sequences.

i loved Good Cooper materializing on the floor out of the smoke/socket and just kinda lying there smiling all dopey. hilarious.

ronette pulaski(! I think)

Yup, that was Phoebe Augustine, though she's mysteriously only credited as "American Girl"

carel struycken was credited as "?????????"

Yeah I saw that & was like wut - also Walter olkewicz is credited as jean-michel renault, al strobel as phillip gerard and carel struycken as ?????

Part 3 is so fat trout/above the convenience store that I forgot to include some of the incredibly weird bits in that sequence, like "119!"

Xp

snap

I hope we only get brief shots of renault tending bar & it's never explained

btw how many other nerds thought of Richard & Linda Thompson during the opening sequence of the premiere?

meee

a la senor droolcup, i hope it becomes canon to refer to reactive baby dougie cooper as "mr. jackpots"

HELLLOOOOO

otm

everything about that box was delicious. maybe i'm analysing too hard, but i thought lynch was either (a) telling the audience to persevere because something will happen soon or (b) taking the piss out of viewers who've been waiting for this show to start and having no idea what to expect.

Whatever assorted narrative ends it serves, it's also part of his ongoing meta-narrative about cinema and perception, who's watching whom, etc. I love how he first shows you the box, and then the room from every angle, and then finally the perfectly-lit shot of the guy sitting on the couch, which is what "the box" sees. He loves pulling back the curtain on himself, showing how the magic is done, and then still making you go "wow" when he does the trick.

(David Foster Wallace would have loved the box, it feels like something out of a James Incandenza movie.)

Watched the first four episodes last night. Reminded me of when the X-Files moved from Vancouver to LA. Maybe it's good David Lynch, but it's not good Twin Peaks. Perhaps once everyone gets back to Twin Peaks and normal Agent Cooper returns... he anchored the show. When he's adrift, it's just too hard to watch.

i'm glad it's not beholden to any idea of what Twin Peaks ~should be~, personally

Yeah there will be some split on all of this between "Twin Peaks fans" and "David Lynch fans."

It was madness to expect a show called Twin Peaks to spend any time in Twin Peaks, I guess. So far it's CSI: South Dakota.

most quality cinema since Hollywood fell to pieces is "hard to watch" in some way

i think they've been spending a pretty decent amount of time in twin peaks

needs more fat trout trailer park though

this is the first slice of what Lynch envisions as an 18 hour movie, i'm sure we'll be spending more time in Twin Peaks

anyway, happy to let the dude do his own weird thing if it works and so far this works pretty well imo. much happier to have something like this than some lame DAMN FAN COFFEE fan service stuff.

xxp

I was hoping to read the plot synopsis on wikipedia butnto tehre yet - come on internet!

Maybe he should have called it Hooters.

works on several levels

Found it hilarious that the dialog when Denise was talking to Gordon about Chrysta Bell's character sounded like it was from an episode of Decker.

Otherwise I loved this. The box, the opening scenes of episode 3 and bad coop vomiting in the car were exactly the kind of 'eat my fear' nightmare I was hoping for.

obvious point, but i love how the box is really the camera. i loved that scene where the stoic top secret guy without emotions and the horny coffee delivery person start to get it on, with the big box/camera watching them, and the earth cameras in turn trained on the box camera. it was like a documentary about a documentary about a director filming a really weird porno

one cool thing about the sound design: when gordon and albert are having the conversation in ep 4 i thought something was wrong with my speakers whenever lynch spoke, but it's the metallic echo of his hearing aids

I've watched the first 4 eps, and unless I'm missing something, they haven't directly followed up to what was going on between those two guys in Las Vegas in episode 2, have they?

afaik no

He enjoys a Police Academy marathon every couple of months but that's about it.

That was either one of the giant's clues or I posted in in the wrong thread.

I think my favorite scene so far (aside from the thrill of the re-enacted 'sometimes my arms bend back' scene) was the entire beginning of episode 3 with the purple glitchy shit and the eyeless woman and the non-ronette pulaski. It looked new, and different, but having cooper in it made it feel firmly of-a-part. less enamoured with the scene once he and the woman were outside in the starless void but everything up to that was pretty thrilling.

i love how the box is really the camera

To push it a little farther, it's the camera and the screen at the same time. The watched watching the watchers. [mind-blown gif]