The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

Matthew Lillard has aged worse than anyone who was on the show.

took me a minute to place it, but did the arm reminded me of the gamesters of triskelion

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Now tv still not coming through 😔 might have to go to bed!

The violence/horror in this was so upsetting tho I don't know that I want to sleep lol. The South Dakota & New York scenes are the stuff of nightmares

The palmer house is still a hellish place

A small part of me hopes Robert Forster's part in this is as large as his role in mulholland dr & we just get told he's gone fishin every week until the finale where he's in it for one minute

Btw Frank Silva was credited as BOB in pt 2, did I miss something?

i'm about to start 4. three was the best yet. this is....really something

xpost Just a brief repurposed scene of Bob and Doppelcooper in the Black Lodge from the final episode.

i guess the only grievance i have is the occasionally really artificial quality of the effects (and which is probably magnified for me by how this is filmed digitally) but even in this respect they remind me of lynch's animation

Ah god I have to bail if pt 3 chatter is starting up, fuckin rupert murdoch son of a bitch

Enjoy, those of you who can! :-)

I'm determined to wait on 3 and 4 until next week, so I'll probably be bowing out of here soon. I'm just still kinda reeling over this. It's actually happening, and so far it's actually exactly what I hoped for (a new Lynch project that actually feels like a natural progression from his recent work and that continues the story of Twin Peaks in ways that are completely unpredictable and that sears a number of unique and indelible moments onto my brain).

The thing that came out of the box, the other thing sitting on the prison bunk, the evolution of the arm, the various distortions within the Red Room...they're all already enshrined among the pantheon of unshakable Lynch imagery. And I'm only two effing hours in.

Oh, and MacLachlan squishing the old dude's face. Momentarily hilarious until you realize what ultimately occurred. That's our Lynch

Only watched up to episode 3 but shit, this is really good!

Straight up near cried during the Log Lady scenes...

What about goddamn Jerry Horne, btw! So much stuff I've already almost forgotten. I may need the week of downtime to rewatch.

hahahahahaha holy fucking shit @ cera

i just came here to say the same thing

Okay, yes, I'm out. You guys have fun and we can all talk about Cera next week.

my initial feeling is that it's like if you took every aspect of TP (except, notably, for the soapiness) and amplified it tenfold - the banal parts are more banal, the goofy bits are goofier, the infuriating bits are more infuriating, the surreal bits are much more intensely surreal.

i wanna celebrate a specific thing about episode three but i think i'll wait until tomorrow when more ppl have seen it

needless to say this is everything i could hope for

there's even a minor soapy moment wrt the principal and his wife! i loved it

yes that is true, felt like a brief resurrection of catherine

14 more hours of this doesn't seem like enough lol

14 more hours of mr. jackpots

brad can you give me a hint about the particular thing in ep 3

well now i can't remember if it was ep 3 or 4, but it's when bobby sees a picture

Critical scene: delivering shovels to Dr. Jacobi

I appreciated how disconnected and nearly unintellible the first episode was. But by the end of the second, it felt like all the strands were coming together. This show is truly uncompromising. Love it.

I imagine the room with the glass box is probably some wing in Lynch's house where he conducts his experiments with time and space.

only two episodes in, far far better than i was expecting. the cinematography in particular is staggering (except the weirdly conspicuous effects as bradnelson mentioned upthread). biggest distraction/downside so far is this is the whitest thing i've seen since the last australian thing i saw.

I cheered when Cera showed up, mostly because I ended up being correct in guessing what role he would end up playing.

also i was hoping to have no idea what's going on and that's exactly what's happening xp

so far is this is the whitest thing i've seen since the last australian thing i saw

That's not surprising. The reports did say that people were going to be outraged.

I mean, that was pretty obvious from the cast list, and also everything else lynch has ever directed

true, and i'm not outraged, it's just way too obvious when set against every other contemporary show and also real life

Oh true, I'm just mildly joking about it.

I mean I also noticed that I'm 4 episodes in and there hasn't been a single scene that passes the Bechdel test either.

the Denise scene..."I told them to change their hearts or die" was great but the rest...woof. that and the Chrysta Bell stuff make it very clear this is being made by two old dudes and does pull me out of the spell for a bit.

I'd break this down as about 25% awe-inspiring, 50% engaging, 15% shrug-inducing and 10% groan-inducing. Which is honestly about the same batting avg as the original run

I mean I also noticed that I'm 4 episodes in and there hasn't been a single scene that passes the Bechdel test either.

yeah, for all that this is avant garde as hell and will probably advance television 15 years overnight, traces of 70-year-old white man are indelibly all through this

I think it's gonna fall from popular discussion in record time, if anything the decline in viewership for this from now to the finale will be even more precipitous than the original run lol

definitely, this is not in any way mainstream

Chrysta is very beautiful but good god she cannot act

The only bad thing about this is the lack of badalamenti incidental music. It's absence is really felt

This is amazing

Hour four had the least horror or surreal imagery but I bet is the one that makes the most people check out, soooo much slow comedy & weird affected dialogue, interminable scenes of dougdale/Lucy/Andy being aliens, Chrysta bell, Gordon & Denise (man that was tough)

And yes peter deming is knocking it out of the park, this looks amazing

I predicted that there would be totally unreal-looking cgi effects and that I would love them btw, but on both counts I didn't predict just how much <3

No surprise that Lynch would pull a FNORD on expectations

This is for the fans for sure

Feels like Lynch is taking the piss

EPISODE 4 TALK

interminable scenes of dougdale/Lucy/Andy being aliens

most of this stuff didn't work imo. dale getting stuck in the revolving door was fantastic, but the casino bit went on far too long (cooper's not mentally checked in, we know, really dave, we get it), and the whole bunny scene with hawk was a total misfire.

at least episode 4 ends with the feeling that the narrative strands are starting to come together. until the last 15 minutes it felt like several movies all playing at once.

also re the alan partridge discussion in the other thread: due to age, andy's face looks awfully like when alan is suddenly pissed off about something.

They seem to be doubling down on the scene in the missing pieces where everyone in the sheriffs station is really spaced out. I wasn't on board at first but horse & forster made it work for me & by the time cera showed up I was loving it - "except when it's cloudy, or at night". (There seems to be a slight suggestion that he has inherited some of the pretensions of his possible biological father)

I'm a little shell shocked tbh. I loved the look, sound & feel of this, felt properly extreme & nightmarish, but turning it over in my head it feels like something is lacking - it feels very vast and inhuman, like it was literally made by aliens. These two weirdos have both drifted quite far from where they were before, & ultra-frostian cosmic sci-fi, literalism & overabundance of story fits weirdly into ultra-lynchian incomprehensibility - or maybe I'm afraid that those things are replacing lynch's vaguenesses that evoke very specific emotions.

Idk I feel like frost actually used to be v good at writing for coopers guides, but MIKE in the red room being like "ok here's what's going on & what you need to do next - remember your doppelgänger? Well," when previously even outside the lodge he couldn't explain living above a convenience store without sounding uncanny; also bad coop explaining the black lodge to random goon.

Otoh the giant's dialogue was great, idk it could just be that I stayed up all night & am hollowed out a bit. Just not feeling much on an emotional level other than jaw-clamping tension. It actually reminds me of mulholland dr a bit, where for the whole 1st hr or so I'm just on edge the entire time. I'm hoping that in the next 14hrs (!) we get more of the emotional connection to characters that I get with that & all other lynch films

Relatively sparse music might be contributing to this too.

To be clear I adore this but also feel weird about it & like it's walking a tightrope & I may end up kinda hating it.

Real Dougie is best character tho

(There seems to be a slight suggestion that he has inherited some of the pretensions of his possible biological father)

i'd completely forgotten about that. i wasn't feeling that scene at all but in hindsight it makes sense.

turning it over in my head it feels like something is lacking - it feels very vast and inhuman, like it was literally made by aliens.

there's no warmth at all. the original series, for all its faults, was packed with rich and deep characters. here the same characters are largely going from point to point because the plot demands it. evil dale is cold and cruel, hawk is cold and analytical, gordon is cold and inquisitive, etc etc etc etc. even denise came across cold. lucy and andy are relatively warm but so far they're the comic relief and little more.

but MIKE in the red room being like "ok here's what's going on & what you need to do next - remember your doppelgänger? Well,"

yeah, it was all a bit obvious, with mike and laura explaining stuff in such detail that it felt like they were talking not to dale but to us. i don't expect lynch to come at me with the cliffs notes, especially when the rest of the show does the exact opposite.

also the brain tree (despite being a great set piece) felt a bit like someone said to lynch "you do you" and he did.

it sounds like i'm complaining a lot (and i am) but on the whole i enjoyed the hell out of this. it's nothing like anything, even twin peaks, and as long as it's doing something interesting and new i'm all in.

just quoting myself for a second:

i don't expect lynch to come at me with the cliffs notes

is it possible that we're seeing the lynch-frost seam here? i'm guessing frost has over-egged the dialogue and lynch has just gone with it.

also, dale drinking the coffee and snapping back into dale was perfect. i smiled so hard my face split open.

There's the log lady, bobby's tears and the roadhouse and I think we will get to an emotional centre at some point

But yeah who am I kidding this is dazzling. The thing in the David Blaine cage, the thing in the cell, woman's head on man's body, everything in buckhorn, bad dale using the dictaphone, the playing card, all the gnarly digital effects, that room with the eyeless woman - it's just too much

Btw did hawk see something out at Glastonbury grove? He doesn't mention anything to anyone

was rewatching eraserhead and the CROUP HUMIDIFIER IS PHILIP JEFFERIES

The finale aired 5 years ago today.

My wife and I once drove to see the Palmer house when we were in WA and the owner had a TREMOND license plate on her car.

My brother and his wife invited me, last minute, to their house that night. I desperately wanted to watch that finale live and apologized and asked to take a rain check. They said I could just watch it over there with them, despite not having seen any of the season. And I took them up on the offer lol.

Tbf, they had some familiarity with TP, Lynch in general, and I gave them fair warning about how dumbfounding the experience might be, and they still maintained they were on board. I think my brother ended up getting a kick out of the whole thing, dropped into the ~atmos~ and went with the experience despite how bewildering it must’ve been. His wife maybe could’ve done with it being half as long, but seemed to feel similarly.

It was in a totally dark, cozy room projected onto a wall, so there was no option but to sink into it. Was intense. Somehow it didn’t kill the night, we had drinks on the porch for a while afterwards and enjoyed ourselves. They’re troopers for that accommodation.

Have we spoken much about the disappearance of Laura's dead body at the end of The Return? It's not something I'm especially concerned about but I know it almost spoilt everything TP for my partner. We're due to go and see Fire Walk With Me at the South Bank next weekend, and, and I can't really explain it?

Do we just say, oh it's David Lynch. She found it very problematic.

My reaction was "OK then. This show never happened in the first place."

She was yanked out of time in the previous episode so she never died.

Yeah, I don’t really have a coherent theory on those last moments of S3, but that was honestly the most chilling, gut punch way to end the whole thing. The brutally honest “you can’t go home again” theme of the season’s entire enterprise brought home.

The “well, why should I care?” take doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but I guess we watch for different reasons.

If that was the ending: “oh well, she didn’t die!”, I’d be pissed. But she was still a woman in trouble and Dale’s attempt to change the past came across as an act of hubris. There was no happy ending, it’s more like Dale shifted things around but it’s still fucked up.

Some arthouse theater in America has to show this. Doesn't matter if it's over several nights or one marathon.

Finally got around to watching this after finally watching FWWM. Stray thoughts:

1. Liked it a lot overall - well made and more engaging than most TV these days (or in 2017). I enjoyed getting sucked into this world.
2. I think Lynch must have got paid by the minute. Every scene went on for 25% longer than it needed and 100% after the point was made.
3. Michael Cera scene is the most bizarre thing in the series. It was like some freshman high school film class highjacked the production 5 minutes after reading On the Road.
4. It was never not hilarious to me that the Roadhouse, which had a dining area that looked like a defranchised Applebees or Fudruckers, suddenly became this dreampop/biker meccca for five minutes every episode.
5. The english guy with the green superglove was funny and kind of affecting how he saved the day.
6. The end was a bit strange - what was Cooper attempting to do with alternate LP by taking her back to the Palmer residence? Relive that trauma. Congrats, you succeeded apparently.
7. I am sad this is over.

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the ending of this will forever arouse me

yes

7 years later one of the biggest mysteries for me is where did Amy Shiels go??

7. I am sad this is over.

also yes

Yeah, my wife and I watched it in real time each week and we were SO BUMMED when it ended, it was like this magical hour we looked forward to.

I'm in a large-ish Twin Peaks FB group, and one of the members is the woman who actually owns the "Palmer" residence. She's the one who actually answers the door in the last episode. She pops up when people post about the house, she seems very nice. She says Lynch was a delight to work with.

wins - is that screenshot from the making of material? i remember laughing so much watching that because he lost his cool so often during that. i'd watch it and think "this is a person that practices transcendental meditation, how could he be this mad all the time... oh right, mike love."

7 years later one of the biggest mysteries for me is where did Amy Shiels go??

you're right! i just saw it was her birthday the other day. she showed up at twin peaks festivals until showtime shut them all down. her imdb shows some pretty terrible shows after 2017 and then nothing much.

Didn't realize until looking at IMDB that Sunny Jim's full name is Sunny Jim Jones.

It is happening again, I just rewatched parts 1 & 2 — blown away again by how perfect these opening hours are, talk about a statement of intent

The glass box is up there with the red room itself as one of the great lynch setpieces. Sam & Tracy are so sexy & funny & eerie and this time round I enjoyed Sam all the more for having a distinct Tim Robinson vibe

Characters so far who sort of seem like they’ve been filmed with lodge-style back masking although obviously they haven’t: Lucy, Otis

Everything about buckhorn: the pilot ep feel, Bill Hastings in his cell rubbing his scalp exactly in time with dean hurley’s music — all of the jail stuff really (inc first woodsman with the floating head)

Love the lengthy shot of a train crossing, feels like the original series interstitial traffic light shots while recalling fwwm & the train car

Ray is such a fucker

The first bit of old school badalamenti stuff (apart from opening credits) is the couple of seconds of Grady tate drums over the Las Vegas establishing shot, this was odd at the time — the scene it introduces is a creepy Patrick Fischler one — but it makes perfect sense once you know where the vegas stuff is going

The log lady appearances are still wrenching. Coulson is clearly in pain; the bit where Margaret says “please let me know what happens” to hawk, who waves his flashlight around until it shines directly into the camera (this is exactly when the good Dale’s story finally starts) feels like the emotional centre of this part of the series if not the whole thing

Some other smartarse must have had this idea in the last 7 years but I was very struck this time by how one of my favourite effects — cooper floating in the box in a very funny Christ pose getting slammed back & forth into smaller boxes — calls to mind the “3 clicks forward, 2 clicks back, 4 forward” of a combination lock (maybe one you’d find on a diary)

is there something in the water or air??? my roommate and i just started rewatching the other day. started cheering when the first glass box room scene started

glass box room scenes are a meta media consumption set piece on the level of club silencio. i love them

...do things appear?

It occurs to me this morning that Laura’s diary opens with a little key and not a combination, to which I say: yeah but still though

I'm doing a Lynch rewatch; next up is FWWM which I'm dragging my heels on a little bit. I like the movie a lot but it's probably the hardest Lynch to get through what with all of the incest and rape and misery. Looking forward to the Missing Pieces which I think I've only seen once, so it should still have some surprises for me. I mainly remember the scenes with Big Ed and Norma parking and Pete explaining something to Josie about lumber measurements.

I started writing lumber dimensions but realized that could be read two ways when talking about Twin Peaks.

I have the diary on audiobook with Sheryl Lee reading it but I haven't been able to make myself start it yet.

We're watching Twin Peaks with my 14 year old and she's digging it. I think we're two episodes away from Leland's big reveal which should be fairly upsetting. We're going to save watching FWWM for a few more years