The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

Oh fuck it we're watching 3 right now

God this day has been awesome

Lynch!

David

Love I

The evolution of the arm was genuinely unsettling and an elegant workaround given Michael J Anderson's instability of late, and the attempted passage out of the Lodge reminded me more strongly of the more abstract passages in Eraserhead than anything Lynch's done since. (I have to wait until tomorrow at least to watch episodes 3 and 4, so I'll be staying out of this thread until then.)

do I need to watch the original Twin Peaks before watching this

Yes

It won't make sense unless you've watched the series and Fire Walk with Me.

I mean, insofar as it makes sense so far.

Well sky are being slowcoaches about putting the next two up so I will just say

Loved what they did with the arm, I got huge eraserhead vibes too

The red room is as weird as ever but it feels a bit like some of the "good" lodge inhabitants are speaking a bit too plainly at times?

I guess they recast Jeffries & maybe maj Briggs too?!

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James is cool

Oh & I was in bits @ log lady

Yes, very pleasantly surprised by how reminiscent of Eraserhead this was in places.

So...that was Jacques tending bar at the end, yes?

I think I laughed harder at "James is cool" than any other line in the first two episodes.

It definitely looked like Jacques!

Also, yes, the Log Lady scenes were heartbreaking.

I do appreciate that Lynch decided to not just maintain the continuity of having a bad Dale running free in the world but to completely upend any sense of fan service by making him irredeemably awful.

Matthew Lillard has aged worse than anyone who was on the show.

took me a minute to place it, but did the arm reminded me of the gamesters of triskelion

http://i.imgur.com/JvDohgA.jpg

Now tv still not coming through 😔 might have to go to bed!

The violence/horror in this was so upsetting tho I don't know that I want to sleep lol. The South Dakota & New York scenes are the stuff of nightmares

The palmer house is still a hellish place

A small part of me hopes Robert Forster's part in this is as large as his role in mulholland dr & we just get told he's gone fishin every week until the finale where he's in it for one minute

Btw Frank Silva was credited as BOB in pt 2, did I miss something?

i'm about to start 4. three was the best yet. this is....really something

xpost Just a brief repurposed scene of Bob and Doppelcooper in the Black Lodge from the final episode.

i guess the only grievance i have is the occasionally really artificial quality of the effects (and which is probably magnified for me by how this is filmed digitally) but even in this respect they remind me of lynch's animation

Ah god I have to bail if pt 3 chatter is starting up, fuckin rupert murdoch son of a bitch

Enjoy, those of you who can! :-)

I'm determined to wait on 3 and 4 until next week, so I'll probably be bowing out of here soon. I'm just still kinda reeling over this. It's actually happening, and so far it's actually exactly what I hoped for (a new Lynch project that actually feels like a natural progression from his recent work and that continues the story of Twin Peaks in ways that are completely unpredictable and that sears a number of unique and indelible moments onto my brain).

The thing that came out of the box, the other thing sitting on the prison bunk, the evolution of the arm, the various distortions within the Red Room...they're all already enshrined among the pantheon of unshakable Lynch imagery. And I'm only two effing hours in.

Oh, and MacLachlan squishing the old dude's face. Momentarily hilarious until you realize what ultimately occurred. That's our Lynch

Only watched up to episode 3 but shit, this is really good!

Straight up near cried during the Log Lady scenes...

What about goddamn Jerry Horne, btw! So much stuff I've already almost forgotten. I may need the week of downtime to rewatch.

hahahahahaha holy fucking shit @ cera

i just came here to say the same thing

Okay, yes, I'm out. You guys have fun and we can all talk about Cera next week.

my initial feeling is that it's like if you took every aspect of TP (except, notably, for the soapiness) and amplified it tenfold - the banal parts are more banal, the goofy bits are goofier, the infuriating bits are more infuriating, the surreal bits are much more intensely surreal.

i wanna celebrate a specific thing about episode three but i think i'll wait until tomorrow when more ppl have seen it

needless to say this is everything i could hope for

there's even a minor soapy moment wrt the principal and his wife! i loved it

yes that is true, felt like a brief resurrection of catherine

14 more hours of this doesn't seem like enough lol

14 more hours of mr. jackpots

brad can you give me a hint about the particular thing in ep 3

well now i can't remember if it was ep 3 or 4, but it's when bobby sees a picture

Critical scene: delivering shovels to Dr. Jacobi

I appreciated how disconnected and nearly unintellible the first episode was. But by the end of the second, it felt like all the strands were coming together. This show is truly uncompromising. Love it.

I imagine the room with the glass box is probably some wing in Lynch's house where he conducts his experiments with time and space.

only two episodes in, far far better than i was expecting. the cinematography in particular is staggering (except the weirdly conspicuous effects as bradnelson mentioned upthread). biggest distraction/downside so far is this is the whitest thing i've seen since the last australian thing i saw.

I cheered when Cera showed up, mostly because I ended up being correct in guessing what role he would end up playing.

also i was hoping to have no idea what's going on and that's exactly what's happening xp

so far is this is the whitest thing i've seen since the last australian thing i saw

That's not surprising. The reports did say that people were going to be outraged.

I mean, that was pretty obvious from the cast list, and also everything else lynch has ever directed

true, and i'm not outraged, it's just way too obvious when set against every other contemporary show and also real life

Oh true, I'm just mildly joking about it.

I mean I also noticed that I'm 4 episodes in and there hasn't been a single scene that passes the Bechdel test either.

the Denise scene..."I told them to change their hearts or die" was great but the rest...woof. that and the Chrysta Bell stuff make it very clear this is being made by two old dudes and does pull me out of the spell for a bit.

also if I read all the posts on each episode it'd be my luck to die right after ep17

thought Cole wd get sucked up to the sky vortex for a minute

I can't load this thread, so I don't know what I posted the first time, but I finished S3. Had to watch the last episode a second time when I was more alert.

Better prepared, it got better. I didn't worry about keeping the tone of 1/2--and even there, there's a split--accepted it as more of a Grand Hotel/Nashville shaggy dog story (reminded me of this bit from Zodiac: "A case that's covered Northern and Southern California, with victims and suspects spread over hundreds of miles..."). E8, conversely, seemed less impressive second time around.

I made peace with Dougie Jones (first time I wanted to put a bullet through my head)--that I'm in the midst of trying to train a puppy was helpful context. The conceit that the people around him don't seem to notice he has an IQ of 10, well, okay, that's the joke, or a big part of it. "What's he done now? He's in a coma!"--that made me laugh. I generally enjoyed his antics, but it was still a major thrill when it was the Cooper I love who reemerged from the coma.

Some of the original cast, I thought, actually gave better performances in S3, led by Dana Ashbrook and James Marshall for starters, who were a little overly method-y in the original. Enjoyed Gordon Cole a lot. The one original character who's totally wasted, I think--probably said the same thing first time--is Sherilyn Fenn. They could have done so much with Audrey. Robert Forster is excellent.

Some supplementary viewing was suggested to me in a different thread, but I just don't have the need or desire to make sense of it all, or anything even approaching sense. As with 2001, the ambiguous circularity is a far as I need to go. Right at the end, Cooper reaching out to take Laura's hand before approaching the old house, that was great.

i was really impressed by dana ashbrook in s3

Managed to load the thread...Not surprisingly, made some of the same points first time around, both pro and con. ILX has a very Twin Peaks circularity to it.

i'll see you in 25 years

(no really, i'll be here)

it is happening again

One of the funny things about Dougie is that he ends up doing all the things that, on paper, a fan service-y return of Cooper would provide: drinking lots of coffee, eating pie, solving a mystery, even a sex scene.

in many ways the point of the character, or at least the point the character makes

it is happening again

I just watched this episode from S2 the other night, and those closing scenes in the Roadhouse hit me hard.

10-year challenge

https://i.ibb.co/G3NPvpn/7-CC5-C3-E4-C142-418-A-B3-EB-00-BD82493-D60.jpg

Miguel and Albert sailed into the stars on 1/19 five years ago.
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The gifts that Twin Peaks has brought to my life are incalculable. Sharing time and space with this marvelous human was a blessing beyond measure. Gone but never forgotten #119 #TwinPeaks pic.twitter.com/uNxveYxREq

— Chrystabell (@Chrysta_Bell) January 19, 2022

Little bit of me wishes I'd seen ep 8 in the moment

Little bit of me hates fanboys

imagining a limited series spinoff on chantal and hutch hutchens

roadhouse scene with charlyne yi/veils gets tougher each rewatch

was rewatching eraserhead and the CROUP HUMIDIFIER IS PHILIP JEFFERIES

The finale aired 5 years ago today.

My wife and I once drove to see the Palmer house when we were in WA and the owner had a TREMOND license plate on her car.

My brother and his wife invited me, last minute, to their house that night. I desperately wanted to watch that finale live and apologized and asked to take a rain check. They said I could just watch it over there with them, despite not having seen any of the season. And I took them up on the offer lol.

Tbf, they had some familiarity with TP, Lynch in general, and I gave them fair warning about how dumbfounding the experience might be, and they still maintained they were on board. I think my brother ended up getting a kick out of the whole thing, dropped into the ~atmos~ and went with the experience despite how bewildering it must’ve been. His wife maybe could’ve done with it being half as long, but seemed to feel similarly.

It was in a totally dark, cozy room projected onto a wall, so there was no option but to sink into it. Was intense. Somehow it didn’t kill the night, we had drinks on the porch for a while afterwards and enjoyed ourselves. They’re troopers for that accommodation.

Have we spoken much about the disappearance of Laura's dead body at the end of The Return? It's not something I'm especially concerned about but I know it almost spoilt everything TP for my partner. We're due to go and see Fire Walk With Me at the South Bank next weekend, and, and I can't really explain it?

Do we just say, oh it's David Lynch. She found it very problematic.

My reaction was "OK then. This show never happened in the first place."

She was yanked out of time in the previous episode so she never died.

Yeah, I don’t really have a coherent theory on those last moments of S3, but that was honestly the most chilling, gut punch way to end the whole thing. The brutally honest “you can’t go home again” theme of the season’s entire enterprise brought home.

The “well, why should I care?” take doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but I guess we watch for different reasons.

If that was the ending: “oh well, she didn’t die!”, I’d be pissed. But she was still a woman in trouble and Dale’s attempt to change the past came across as an act of hubris. There was no happy ending, it’s more like Dale shifted things around but it’s still fucked up.

Some arthouse theater in America has to show this. Doesn't matter if it's over several nights or one marathon.

Finally got around to watching this after finally watching FWWM. Stray thoughts:

1. Liked it a lot overall - well made and more engaging than most TV these days (or in 2017). I enjoyed getting sucked into this world.
2. I think Lynch must have got paid by the minute. Every scene went on for 25% longer than it needed and 100% after the point was made.
3. Michael Cera scene is the most bizarre thing in the series. It was like some freshman high school film class highjacked the production 5 minutes after reading On the Road.
4. It was never not hilarious to me that the Roadhouse, which had a dining area that looked like a defranchised Applebees or Fudruckers, suddenly became this dreampop/biker meccca for five minutes every episode.
5. The english guy with the green superglove was funny and kind of affecting how he saved the day.
6. The end was a bit strange - what was Cooper attempting to do with alternate LP by taking her back to the Palmer residence? Relive that trauma. Congrats, you succeeded apparently.
7. I am sad this is over.

https://i.imgur.com/7q1F4hG.jpg

the ending of this will forever arouse me

yes

7 years later one of the biggest mysteries for me is where did Amy Shiels go??

7. I am sad this is over.

also yes

Yeah, my wife and I watched it in real time each week and we were SO BUMMED when it ended, it was like this magical hour we looked forward to.

I'm in a large-ish Twin Peaks FB group, and one of the members is the woman who actually owns the "Palmer" residence. She's the one who actually answers the door in the last episode. She pops up when people post about the house, she seems very nice. She says Lynch was a delight to work with.

wins - is that screenshot from the making of material? i remember laughing so much watching that because he lost his cool so often during that. i'd watch it and think "this is a person that practices transcendental meditation, how could he be this mad all the time... oh right, mike love."

7 years later one of the biggest mysteries for me is where did Amy Shiels go??

you're right! i just saw it was her birthday the other day. she showed up at twin peaks festivals until showtime shut them all down. her imdb shows some pretty terrible shows after 2017 and then nothing much.

Didn't realize until looking at IMDB that Sunny Jim's full name is Sunny Jim Jones.

It is happening again, I just rewatched parts 1 & 2 — blown away again by how perfect these opening hours are, talk about a statement of intent

The glass box is up there with the red room itself as one of the great lynch setpieces. Sam & Tracy are so sexy & funny & eerie and this time round I enjoyed Sam all the more for having a distinct Tim Robinson vibe

Characters so far who sort of seem like they’ve been filmed with lodge-style back masking although obviously they haven’t: Lucy, Otis

Everything about buckhorn: the pilot ep feel, Bill Hastings in his cell rubbing his scalp exactly in time with dean hurley’s music — all of the jail stuff really (inc first woodsman with the floating head)

Love the lengthy shot of a train crossing, feels like the original series interstitial traffic light shots while recalling fwwm & the train car

Ray is such a fucker

The first bit of old school badalamenti stuff (apart from opening credits) is the couple of seconds of Grady tate drums over the Las Vegas establishing shot, this was odd at the time — the scene it introduces is a creepy Patrick Fischler one — but it makes perfect sense once you know where the vegas stuff is going

The log lady appearances are still wrenching. Coulson is clearly in pain; the bit where Margaret says “please let me know what happens” to hawk, who waves his flashlight around until it shines directly into the camera (this is exactly when the good Dale’s story finally starts) feels like the emotional centre of this part of the series if not the whole thing

Some other smartarse must have had this idea in the last 7 years but I was very struck this time by how one of my favourite effects — cooper floating in the box in a very funny Christ pose getting slammed back & forth into smaller boxes — calls to mind the “3 clicks forward, 2 clicks back, 4 forward” of a combination lock (maybe one you’d find on a diary)

is there something in the water or air??? my roommate and i just started rewatching the other day. started cheering when the first glass box room scene started

glass box room scenes are a meta media consumption set piece on the level of club silencio. i love them

...do things appear?

It occurs to me this morning that Laura’s diary opens with a little key and not a combination, to which I say: yeah but still though

I'm doing a Lynch rewatch; next up is FWWM which I'm dragging my heels on a little bit. I like the movie a lot but it's probably the hardest Lynch to get through what with all of the incest and rape and misery. Looking forward to the Missing Pieces which I think I've only seen once, so it should still have some surprises for me. I mainly remember the scenes with Big Ed and Norma parking and Pete explaining something to Josie about lumber measurements.

I started writing lumber dimensions but realized that could be read two ways when talking about Twin Peaks.

I have the diary on audiobook with Sheryl Lee reading it but I haven't been able to make myself start it yet.

We're watching Twin Peaks with my 14 year old and she's digging it. I think we're two episodes away from Leland's big reveal which should be fairly upsetting. We're going to save watching FWWM for a few more years