Soundgarden

he has more credits on badmotorfinger, on upside he only had the one

but he deserved an individual songwriting credit for each of his Billy Corgan quotes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=norW_pCErk0

i like seeing all the artist tributes but i would love something other than 900 versions of black hole sun, is that shitty to say

No because Black Hole Sun is a garbage song no matter who sings it, Cornell included

i dont hate it the way i used to but it's still one of my least favex

def not my fav any more but it was the song that got me into them, so im not gonna sit here and slander it nope.

it's a good song that was a victim of its own success

an ideal DOTU with outtakes should have "Blind Dogs" and "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard" imo

Agreed. For my own nostalgic purposes, I'll probably eventually buy an official mix of the entire Self-Pollution session if it's ever available. I'm surprised the entire 5-hour broadcast hasn't been pressed to vinyl by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqc3mEWxIVA

watched the dave grohl youtube that appends cornell doing an acoustic black hole sun to the end, it's telling how at certain points he is perfectly able to lay back and let his singing be more casual, so that it's clear that the sudden drama at that point in the full recording is manufactured by the band's performance, not necessarily written into the song. but later on he opts for the yelled 'black hole sun! black hole sun!' refrain, which i guess marks the song as recorded/written as a rock song, in a way that he did not think needed to be modified in acoustic performance (but maybe could have been).

oh come on black hole sun is grebt

in fairness i thought maybe i hated it for a few years there but then i listened to it and i was wrong

I like it as a change of pace on Superunknown but I wouldn't count it among my favourites. The chorus always feels like a bit of a letdown.

it must be weird to know that you've written a song that everyone is going to sing to you when you're dead

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in fairness i thought maybe i hated it for a few years there but then i listened to it and i was wrong

That happened to me with Stairway to Heaven, but I never liked BHS in the first place.

Misread that at first as B&S

BHS revisionism can suck it, I mean - the thing has become an overplayed staple so it's far from my favorite on the record (that'd be "Limo Wreck" or "Mailman"), but damned if it still doesn't make me wanna sing along.

half of my school thought it was called "Black, Old Son"

Does it have anything to do with the Lost Generation guy, Harry Crosby?

I feel compelled to say mine is not revisionism. I had a viscerally negative reaction to it from the first day I heard it and have been working towards some form of mild neutrality ever since then

tribunal will rule on that in the morning, have yr notarized affidavits ready!

I do think it's probably the least interesting of the singles tho......

I'd rather hear a tribute cover of like, "The DAy I Tried to Live"

BHS revisionism can suck it

Perhaps, but by 1994 I was already sick to death of Soundgarden and didn't give a care about Superunknown outside of "My Wave," and the ferocity with which "Black Hole Sun" was overexposed poisoned a song I thought was bad to begin with.

ymmv, of course, but imo the dropoff after Badmotorfinger was significant and probably comparable to R.E.M. post-Bill Berry.

i'd pay human earth dollars for Ann Wilson to do Fourth of July

some good old clips of Chris, starting with...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZaglHQOgt8

audio only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmJ8ATggl5c

in fairness i thought maybe i hated it for a few years there but then i listened to it and i was wrong

^^^ this. it's an impossibly sad, beautiful song about depression. I sang it to my daughter as she went off to sleep the other night (she's too young to really grok the words, thankfully) and the "no one sings like you anymore" line hit me like a brick wall

I'm not sure what I think of BHS these days. There's maybe a similar problem with it as with Cornell's other flirtation with a Lennonesque melodic sensibility, Blow Up the Outside World, which I used to think was amazing, but now sounds rather gratingly portentous and cheesy.

By contrast, some of the more understated stuff on DOTUS, I think, still stands up really well. "Switch Opens" may be another case for arguing that Ben Shepherd was SG's most beguilingly idiosyncratic songwriter (also comes to mind is the melodic and rhythmic wonkiness in the chorus of "Somewhere", or the way an otherwise fairly standard, punk-metal song like "Face Pollution" is totally made by the unhinged instrumental section near the end.)

I think I may have mentioned it upthread, but I was watching some BMF-era live footage on Youtube a while back and Ben Shepherd is a deranged motherfucker, leaping and staggering around the stage and not missing a note but looking like he's scarcely paying attention to anything that he's doing. Thrilling stuff.

This one is p great imo.

There's an interview from those days in Bass Player magazine with Shepard and the interviewer talking completely past each other, where Ben talks about wanting to crawl under the stage and set off low-frequency bombs from there.

Revisiting King Animal for the first time since it came out. There's a hoarseness in Cornell's voice on "Been Away Too Long" that makes him sound like Sammy Hagar. That was my impression of the album at the time - that it sounded more like Chickenfoot than Soundgarden. We'll see.

'I'm looking California and feeling Minnesota' is the rare lyric about depression that's both hilarious and heartbreaking. I forget because the riffs are all-encompassing on most listens, but really it was the lyrics on Badmotorfinger that sealed the deal for me.

living colour's blow up the outside world cover was great, was cool to see a tribute by a band that actually had the chops and singing ability to cover soundgarden and do them justice

also unperson jesus christ chickenfoot have a little decency

Bones Of Birds is wonderful

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Anyone ever listen to that Hater album?

After making it all the way through King Animal, my impression from five years ago (!) was reinforced. All the songs were decent riff-rock, but when it was over I couldn't remember how a single one of them went. If I was on a game show and the challenge was, "Hum one song from Soundgarden's King Animal for $10,000," I would be going home empty-handed.

i guess that's cool but the playing on that record is wonderful and the songs are all real growers

"bones of birds" and "halfway there" are up there with any of cornell's great hooks

and "eyelid's mouth" is maybe the most matt cameron matt cameron song ever, title on down

Anyone ever listen to that Hater album?

I remember liking it but then not going back to it very often

Wellwater Conspiracy has some jams.

The first Hater album was reissued last summer, it's quite good. They made a second one years later but I've never heard it.

Yeah I really liked the first one

i liked it alright at the time, but i have no idea if it's aged well or not.