the very early theories of what created fossils tended to be semi-bibilical: that they were bones of creatures that hadn't survived the flood (or perhaps more than one flood, or some kind of catastrophic upheaval, there were various ideas)
dinosaurs were named as a species a couple of decades before darwin's published the origin of species and by the time they were being sought and taxonomised in number, the darwinist orthodoxy was gradualism rather than catastrophes (stephen jay gould wrote several interesting essays on this, not least bcz he thought that "punctuated equilibrium" was the process: in other words not a pure gradualism)
the alvarez thesis was a big deal, in 1980 -- not least bcz it got caught up by the anti-nuclear movement, who extrapolated the idea of nuclear winter from the alvarez proposal, that vast clouds of dust kicked up by the comet/asteroid had blotted out sunlight for decades, shifting the climate
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
shifting the climate
― mark s, Friday, May 19, 2017 1:24 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
read this as shitting the climate
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 19 May 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
so what i remember from dad's books that he had as a kid is just that people handwaved the vanishing of the dinosaurs as ordinary evolution over a very long time and climate shifts maybe caused by varitions in the sun's brightness or whatever
(they also often had maps of the landmasses in various eras -- pangeaa and gondwanaland etc -- but continental drift wasn't established as the general scientific consensus until the mid-60s, so they handwaved how prehistoric animals had crossed large oceans with "vegetable mats", and draw in the likely routes the mats must have taken, across from africa to south america and so on: dad was a naturalist, more focused on plants than animals, but he said the conference where the consensus changed was a huge deal, lots of ppl went to it thinking they were the only ones who really believed in continental drift, and then they all realised everyone else had started believing it also, and the episteme changed overnight, and a lot of older naturalists basically retired as the embittered old school… he may have been dramatising a bit, but it was a very fast shift)
(the key new evidence came from sonar, invented in ww2, being used to map the ocean beds in the 50s and all the volcanic rifts which are the motor of the movement)
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
http://www.littlestuffedbull.com/images/2012/addamskindle/addams12.jpg
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
and that's how unicorns were born
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 19 May 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
according to Mr. Freeze in "Batman and Robin", it was the ice age that killed the dinosaurs
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 19 May 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
the permian was a much slower event than the cretaceous wipeout, but for some reason it's imagery scares me more. The anoxic oceans where 95% of life was wiped out and the bacteria dense pondwater giving the planet a sickly pink glow from space. And just the idea of choking to death in a nightmare hothouse world.
― calzino, Friday, 19 May 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
Yeah some of the CGI ones are alright but still prefer kid-drawn and lovingly hand-painted
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 19 May 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
I remember 'mammals ate the eggs' and flatulence - also pictures of large predatory dinosaurs always stood up on two legs roaring into the air
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 19 May 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater
currently popular theory is this crater's time of impact lines up well with the major extinction period
― mh, Friday, 19 May 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
(they also often had maps of the landmasses in various eras -- pangeaa and gondwanaland etc -- but continental drift wasn't established as the general scientific consensus until the mid-60s,
Did not know this - but they were aware of the landmasses having been in different place from I suppose sea-creature fossils found on land?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 19 May 2017 21:36 (six years ago) link
wegener had proposed continental drift back in 1912 -- based on the way africa so obviously fits into south america, and many other less obvious tesselations and geological similarities between jigsawed pieces -- but no one could think of a mechanism for the plates to move, as the whole crust was assumed to be solid, and the idea wasn't taken up
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
http://pre09.deviantart.net/f64d/th/pre/i/2015/117/9/9/dinosaur_extinction_by_sriramgubbi-d8r97qa.jpg
― new noise, Friday, 19 May 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/CKTEvent.jpg
― new noise, Friday, 19 May 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/CWetumpkaNo2Giclee16x20.jpg
― new noise, Friday, 19 May 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
Always has to be at least two animal species on display
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
haha otm
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link
long detailed essay in the rise of interest in exploring reasons why dinosaurs became extinct: http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/Essays/Dino90.html
author puts the turning point at the start of the 1970s
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
wait what happened in the 1970s that killed dinos
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link
Glam rock.
― nickn, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:48 (six years ago) link
prog rock dude
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2016/06/tarkus.jpeg?w=600&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link
no meteor, no credibility
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/dore/rhin/37.jpg
gustav doré engraving of fossil of hapless dinosaur caught watching incoming meteor (not pictured)
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/24/84/18/2484183fe64d3babad5b3dd10b44cd82.jpg
― devvvine, Friday, 19 May 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
From that link, 'A Survey of Theories for the Death of the Dinosaurs' could make a good poll
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 19 May 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
This thread is not only great to look at but great to read, the same is not true of the, superficially similar, Paul Weller thread. Paul Weller not being anywhere near as interesting as dinosaurs, or with their enduring appeal (who knows though, eh?)
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Friday, 19 May 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
The asteroid theory is clearly being financed by kindergarten teacher special interest groups, who dread having to assign students to illustrate the rise of angiosperms.
― jmm, Friday, 19 May 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
kids still love dinosaurs, right? I remember being into them really young and practicing drawing brontosaurus necks
― mh, Friday, 19 May 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link
They have Dinosaur World near Lakeland here. The kids dig it
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 May 2017 01:03 (six years ago) link
Thanks, y'all, for filling in so much backstory! Yeah, I now remember egg-eating mammals mixed in with death comet, in my childhood.
mark s, hope your lengthy and engaging posts are signs that all is well.
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 May 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/1UYKHy1.png
― “Yeah. Huh, thanks.” (los blue jeans), Saturday, 20 May 2017 03:15 (six years ago) link
only dino video game I really acknowledge is primal rage
― mh, Saturday, 20 May 2017 05:02 (six years ago) link
um, bubble bobble?!
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 May 2017 05:18 (six years ago) link
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2487/3801892004_ab85c209c6.jpg
― soref, Saturday, 20 May 2017 08:13 (six years ago) link
https://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/3009806/622124582/stock-vector-stegosaurus-tattoo-art-comet-has-destroyed-dinosaurs-symbol-of-prehistoric-paleontology-622124582.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:33 (six years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/27/54/3e/27543e5f928d26e8b26606328a8e7f18.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:39 (six years ago) link
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/09/article-2276154-1774995E000005DC-205_634x722.jpg
subject's best angle
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/tbricker/TouringPlans%20DinosaurIndy/051210096.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ateroid-660x280.jpg
i like the atmospheric make-u-ponder ones best i think
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:42 (six years ago) link
https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/3/31/JurracMeteor-HA04-EN-ScR-1E.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20120225063955
when this card is Synchro Summoned, destroy all cards on the field
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:44 (six years ago) link
http://pssreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/How-Deep-Sea-Creatures-Survived-Dinosaur-Killing-Asteroid.jpg
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eU7yYZz7vaw/Uxz5FTEZjKI/AAAAAAAAM9c/TKCsZ_6Rec4/s1600/dino.jpg
― devvvine, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link
https://68.media.tumblr.com/de799a766b20210d6deaee7d08251f2c/tumblr_ol9luknwU11sqn3dxo1_500.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link
http://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/MAC32_DINOSAUR_CAROUSEL.jpg
http://blog.capterra.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/giphy-1.gif
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/meteor-soaring-overhead-of-inflatable-dinosaur-picture-id200171962-001?s=170667a
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:48 (six years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a7/49/5f/a7495f68a375558e37d132f43b91947a.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:48 (six years ago) link
https://68.media.tumblr.com/e4b249215754bb68c095c6814404dc6a/tumblr_nl5n09PslU1u1ofgwo1_500.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 20 May 2017 12:49 (six years ago) link