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that could be the tape he made in character for SINGLES, which is coming out as part of its deluxe reissue tomorrow

― maura, Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:41 PM (yesterday)

I just listened to the tracks from that but I think those sound a little more polished and full formed, the songs I remember were more rough, rustic and witchy... more songs in the vein of "Seasons" than "Spoonman".

That said, I couldn't find the Poncier version of "Seasons" but I could find every other Poncier song on the 'tube.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 19 May 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link

Michael Beinhorn is the producer in the infamous Hole drummer story btw, despite having been in material he seems to have been the epitome of the interventionist label producer

― fish louse (Jon not Jon), Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok. while reading the oral history i wasn't sure who to give the benefit of the doubt to, now i know it certainly wasn't this prick

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 May 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link

yeah beinhorn is a major piece of shit though he's semi-responsible for two of my favorite rock productions of the '90s (superunknown and celebrity skin, superunknown obv was the band in contention with beinhorn where celebrity skin is a way sadder story)

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 19 May 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link

this is my current fav jam from king animal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQ_yBmOupg

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 19 May 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link

also i've been listening to cornell's obligatory beatlesesque song from that record and uh crying a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxYCQJW89Wc

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 19 May 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link

Beinhorn's other major 90s accomplishment -- Marilyn Manson's best album, Mechanical Animals.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 May 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link

oh yep ^^^^

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 19 May 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link

Maybe this is all going to be obvious, but revisiting Badmotorfinger for the first time in a while I'm struck by how much of a bluesy riff rock/early metal record it is at bottom, with what seems like a lot of influence from Sabbath, Zeppelin, Motörhead, Priest. That and also just what a fucking weird and great song Rusty Cage is musically.

Really liked Maura's piece, but I'm curious why it skips over Audioslave completely.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 19 May 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link

i only had so much time alas

maura, Friday, 19 May 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link

that's for when tom morello dies

j., Friday, 19 May 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link

Re man alive's comment: the thing about that (and the band, but taking Badmotorfinger as its own example) is that it simultaneously is and isn't as you describe. Which is part of why it resonates and works. I forget which edition of the Trouser Press guide said this about Soundgarden but per your point they said they called back to that protometal era of 'shirtless men singing about shirtless women.' But the whole point was that they didn't do that, at least not as some sort of raison d'etre -- and while they avoided Zep-style pseudohistorical narratives, they weren't Sabbath's bummer fantasies either. It was more like one foot in the 'real' world, one foot elsewhere, with everything refracted, kaleidoscopic. Per Jon's story above, it was like capturing something miasmic, in the air. It could be focused when needed, it could be overtly funny, but even so. And musically it took all you described and twisted it in knots -- compressed, encircled, but just as thorny as the lyrics could be. They could and did go big and slow but always felt like they were a Titan tied down, intentionally, as an aesthetic point. It was music for stomping all around the world, but caught in unavoidable and inevitable frustration, not triumph. "Rusty Cage" may be the great outlier -- it starts an album with escape and release but it ends with "New Damage," where you have to get out for much bigger reasons, and you might not be able to.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 May 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link

Is there any other massive early 90s rock record with as much going on rhythmically as Spoonman? I just listened again and it's astonishing how much it works into a big, anthemic, MTV-friendly rock song. And it's doubly astonishing that I didn't really notice all that at the time.

Matt DC, Friday, 19 May 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-pkDd5epgk

flappy bird, Friday, 19 May 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

had a lovely surprise this morning. put on Euphoria Morning to listen to on the drive to work and got an immediate, vivid flashback as Cant Change Me started

In 1999 i travelled to the US & met Mr Veg for the first time. We took a road trip to SF, Santa Cruz, LA and Vegas & I had completely forgotten til now that Euphoria Morning was one of the cds in the changer!

We must have spun it a lot on that trip because it was all i could think of the whole time I was listening to it.... visions of our various stops & the landscapes rushing by and all our dumb injokes from that trip

It was such a happy memory, felt like a great bonus putting this album on expecting to cry a lot and instead smiling happily & singing along

It's such a beautiful album, I def am going to try to keep it in the rotation for a while.

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 May 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link

i slept on Cornell's solo career completely. I should probably pick up Euphoria Morning. How's Higher Truth?

nomar, Friday, 19 May 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link

I just learned that he rereleased Euphoria Morning in 2015, retitling it Euphoria Mourning.

Euphoria Morning was recently re-released on vinyl, but you’ve changed the title to what you’d originally intended it to be – Euphoria Mourning. How did it come to be spelt differently on the original release?
It was a pretty dark album lyrically and pretty depressing, and I was going through a really difficult time in my life – my band wasn’t together anymore, my marriage was falling apart and I was dealing with it by drinking way too much, and that has its own problems, particularly with depression. So I titled the album Euphoria Mourning, but right before the record came out and I was doing interviews over the radio for example, if you say “Euphoria Mourning”, the listener doesn’t know if it’s mourning with a “u” or morning without a “u”. And that started to bother me. So I had a conversation with my manager at the time, and said I really love the title but do you think it’s confusing? And he suggested that Euphoria Morning would probably be a better title. I thought, in contrast to the lyrics maybe that works. And it wasn’t my manager’s fault, I was a grown man and could say I don’t think that’s a good idea, and in the back of my mind I didn’t think it was a good idea. But mentally I wasn’t together enough to really know what was right. So I went with “Morning”, and it’s bothered me ever since. It even showed up in an early review where someone reviewing the record said that the title sounded like a potpourri scent, and when I read that I was just like [with disdain], “Fuck! Fuckin’ bullshit!” The title was so beautifully poetic to begin with, just the concept of euphoria in mourning; it was a moment I felt inspired and I let all the air out of it. So when we decided to do its first vinyl release I thought, I want to change the fuckin’ title! [Laughs] It’s time to change it.

how's life, Friday, 19 May 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link

Did Cornell and David Tibet do something together at one point? I have it in my head that they did but google did not turn up anything

fish louse (Jon not Jon), Friday, 19 May 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link

Burying Artis in the mix on Spoonman was dumb.

Three Word Username, Friday, 19 May 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link

Been incredibly busy for the last couple of days so only just heard about this. Absolutely shocked. RIP.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 19 May 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link

xxp you're thinking of andrew wk?

new noise, Friday, 19 May 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link

it just gets more & more grim

http://www.spin.com/2017/05/chris-cornell-police-report-death-details/

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 May 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link

Burying Artis in the mix on Spoonman was dumb.

This is my one criticism.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Friday, 19 May 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link

just over an hour ago i got the tip off : i am neighbour free all weekend.
now, i aint a full on audiophile freak,
but my midrange floorstanders can make a noise that is rather glorious when given the chance.
and yeah, i know it's not the choice of heroes,
but the first audioslave album is sounding insanely good at the moment.
i will of course do the soundgarden groove at some point.
however, despite the backing band, the vocals ..
well, i don't need to say anymore.

mark e, Friday, 19 May 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link

crank it! :D

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 May 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link

Euphoria mourning though

calstars, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link

thats the one ive been re-visiting the most since the news.

Spottie, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link

The verb I mean. Or is it still a noun

c (calstars), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link

"Preaching the end of the world" is one I'm afraid to listen to cos idk if I can do the emotions that come w/ that song right now

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link

"follow my way" too

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link

My Wave is great turned up, that one and S-Unknown were the perfect soundtrack to a fucked spring break trip

c (calstars), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link

"Preaching the end of the world" is one I'm afraid to listen to cos idk if I can do the emotions that come w/ that song right now

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Friday, May 19, 2017 3:31 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is the one that got me yesterday

Spottie, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv_T8zzH19s

van smack, Saturday, 20 May 2017 00:38 (six years ago) link

Scott Strapp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7JX-JfGzZI

van smack, Saturday, 20 May 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link

Xp to Ned: yeah I mean that's what I was badly trying to get at I think, that it struck me that way only on relisten after a number of years away from it because it so much doesn't obviously feel like an heir to Zep or Sabbath, and I think a lot of that distinction is in Cornell's lyrics and vocal persona, and in certain nuances of the way the heavy riffage feels just slightly off kilter.

"Ferry Boat #3" on the Singles Soundtrack reissue is quite nice.

van smack, Saturday, 20 May 2017 01:08 (six years ago) link

Beyond the Wheel is my go to olde SG choon

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 May 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link

Beyond the Wheel is fucking amazing

It's on some deep Birthday Party Bauhaus shit & I love it. I live for Cornell's banshee wail

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 May 2017 01:59 (six years ago) link

He sounded so good on it 3 weeks ago too. :(

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 May 2017 02:02 (six years ago) link

His baritone vox were always underrated. Like his Plant-esque wail gets so much focus but his low to mid range was so resonant and expressive. It is what made "Fell on Black Days" work so well.

"Sumshower" got me through teenage depression too

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 May 2017 02:05 (six years ago) link

Hands All Over is probably the only pro-environment track that warrants replay

c (calstars), Saturday, 20 May 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link

Touring band cover version tributes to CC are everywhere on Youtube, RHCP, Train, Bush, Living Colour, Ann Wilson, Live (lol), Stone Sour, Megadeath, Scott Stapp.

MaresNest, Saturday, 20 May 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link

oh man, that Living Colour Blow Up the Outside World is moving as hell.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 20 May 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link

Yeah, bless them

MaresNest, Saturday, 20 May 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link

I've spent a bunch of today relistening to Down on the Upside and its period b-sodes to try to come up with a better sequence - brad was right, it's not easy. This is the best I could come up with - I figured the best course of action was to try to do a 12-track Badmotorfinger style tracklist than to try and repeat the Superunknown sprawl like they did on the released album. Apologies to any "Ty Cobb" lovers out there.

Pretty Noose
Dusty
No Attention
Tighter & Tighter
Bleed Together
Burden in my Hand
Rhinosaur
Never Named
Zero Chance
Karaoke
Boot Camp
Blow Up the Outside World

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 May 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link

*b-sides, durr

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 May 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link

"Applebite" or "Overfloater" (depending on yr preference) can easily slot in after "Rhinosaur" if that's not sprawling enough for ya

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link

I think it's great there are all these instant covers happening but also telling that most of the bands listed couldn't come close to Soundgarden/Cornell in the first place. (My exceptions would be Living Colour, Ann Wilson and Megadeth when Mustaine isn't an insane goober).

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:04 (six years ago) link

Stone Sour guy made a really good stab at Unshined

MaresNest, Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link

But I get your point

MaresNest, Saturday, 20 May 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link


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