Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

lol okay i googled amazons

damn greek

lol aimless

As restitution you have to watch the Wonder Woman movie.

That painful moment when you can't decide whether to post to "Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism" or "People that YELP are Scumbags"

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/05/13/screenshots-surface-of-insensitive-yelp-reviews-by-pierson-college-dean/

is this the right thread for the Great Tortilla Heist of 2017?

https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriation

it was briefly discussed in the food appropriation thread

Yale dean should not have been fired. For the past three years or so generalizing statements about white people have become omnipresent in liberal milieus. Whether that is good or bad is one thing, but it's not fair to crucify this one person who speaking in a way that she has been led to believe is chill.

Oh wait she wasn't fired. Good. It's about time things go the way I think they should.

Sounded like that was more snobby Ivy leaguer aghast at the townies than lol white genocide

The former often masquerades as the latter.

http://text-patterns.thenewatlantis.com/2017/05/major-collegiate-disorders.html
http://text-patterns.thenewatlantis.com/2017/05/getting-context-and-grip.html

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-47F8yBZH25E/WSs0xvBmBEI/AAAAAAAAC34/Fv4g-kpmGf0013SgNao3Jp4UE78UKsegQCK4B/s640/IMG_0154.jpg

1811 North Carolina otm

I guess the point is we should be glad that protests over a Halloween costume email didn't lead to bombings like they did in the 70s?

lol @ Conic section rebellion

wait, transylvania?

lol @ Conic section rebellion

― sexualing healing (crüt), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

First thought also

Been following as sex-positive feminist YouTube personality Laci Green has redpilled, or at the least, opened up to the possibility of having conversations with anti-feminists. In her reasoning behind this move, she cites both the Hypatia situation from a month ago as well as negative reactions she has received from people who she is an ally of (apparently was threatened and called 'cis scum' or something at some conference she was at recently).

Anyway, this is gaining more traction (and backlash) on twitter etc. in the past couple days, but google news results only show reporting from right wing media. I'm surprised that she hasn't shown up more on ilx, since she was a strong voice in opposition to gamergate and other such creepy internet dude movements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ1ga8yuM50&t=5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZGVlb9cwYg

Wasn't sure if this was the best thread to put this in, as there are a few threads that cover similar ground, but decided to piggyback on the Hypatia thing.

why can't these people just type, i am not here for watching them slowly talk on my screen

Based on the minute I watched of each video, I wouldn't want to read her writing either.

Oh man can we get some typeouts of what she's saying? I find youtube talking format videos impossible

faux chummy vloggy voice

Taking what we've got to work with tho the trouble for me is I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat, and not sure if they haven't got some good intentions in there somewhere. As opposed to someone who would say 'trans scum'. i.e. Are people who call you 'cis scum' really significant enough to use as reference points in building your political outlook?

I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat

Regardless of the exact level of threat they might pose, that person is creepy. I don't think their creepiness is attached to their creepy views about freedom of speech, so much as their creepy use of speech and what it says about them.

some of my best friends are cis scum

I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat, and not sure if they haven't got some good intentions in there somewhere.

"i'm sure X isn't serious and has good intentions deep down" seems like a non confrontational way to excuse shit behavior

The hatred between trans activists and terfs are definitely real and intense.

as the first two words that make up TERF is "Trans-exclusionary", makes sense that they would exclusive trans.

they sometimes rub against classic feminists as well. we used to have a thing called LadyFest that was a yearly feminist festival and i heard gripes from many feminists about not getting a spot because it was taken by a band full of guys in dresses.

TERF is a dumb fucking term btw

i don't see the reason in declaring that you and only you get to decide what label you wear and yet you feel entitled to label other people for not agreeing w you. like, what?

That's an incredibly weird thing to say.

For one thing, being trans-gender doesn't mean you have an obligation to treat other people a certain way. It just means being trans-gender.

Wanting to police the behaviour of trans-gender people before you decide what 'label' you'll let them wear is discriminatory as fuck. Even calling it 'deciding what label you wear'...

So "TERF" means what? Trans-Exclusionary Rat Fucker? or is it something else?

Radical Feminist.

I guess I was off the mark there.

Taking what we've got to work with tho the trouble for me is I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat, and not sure if they haven't got some good intentions in there somewhere. As opposed to someone who would say 'trans scum'. i.e. Are people who call you 'cis scum' really significant enough to use as reference points in building your political outlook?

― Never changed username before (cardamon)

way to marginalize and appropriate the voices of the radical trans community, cis scum

I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat, and not sure if they haven't got some good intentions in there somewhere.

"i'm sure X isn't serious and has good intentions deep down" seems like a non confrontational way to excuse shit behavior

Well I mean I wasn't sure they had good intentions.

It's just I dunno, my picture of the whole thing is that while no doubt there are trans people who engage in shitty behaviour they are verrry much more sinned against than sinning. Like I don't think there are many trans people who assault cis people on sight, right?

oh good this thread is about terf shit now, welp

It's just I dunno, my picture of the whole thing is that while no doubt there are trans people who engage in shitty behaviour they are verrry much more sinned against than sinning. Like I don't think there are many trans people who assault cis people on sight, right?

― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:09 AM (twenty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as a genderqueer person i try to keep up my monthly quota

(this is a ridiculous conversation)

Big part of the ridiculousness being my failure to think on about how there might be trans people who post on ilx and talk 'about' rather than 'to' and who this stuff might affect in a way it doesn't affect me. Sorry.

lol i didn't mean to single you out specifically cardamon, you're fine

https://www.autostraddle.com/in-conversation-with-sarah-schulman-theyre-being-taught-that-control-is-freedom-376920/?all=1

Conflict Is Not Abuse [: Overstating Harm, Community Responsibility, and the Duty of Repair ] is a discussion of how inflated accusations of harm are used to avoid accountability, and she traces this phenomenon as it applies from interpersonal relationships to global politics. For the latter, she looks specifically at HIV criminalization in Canada and the occupation of Palestine. The book opens with the example of the police officers who saw Michael Brown and Eric Garner as “threatening” when they were doing literally nothing, and how any kind of difference, resistance or anxiety can be seen as an attack when it’s not. The book has generated heaps of conversation online and off, is blurbed by bell hooks and Claudia Rankine, is the winner of the Judy Grahn Award for Lesbian Non-Fiction and a nominee for a Lambda Literary Award.

Of course, it was the interpersonal and local community focused sections at the front that really drew me in, because I am basic like that. Her investigation of shunning and group dynamics, especially within groups heavily populated by those who’ve experienced personal trauma or inherited generational trauma, is particularly interesting from the perspective of a queer community organizer.

long interview w/ the author

For the latter, she looks specifically at HIV criminalization in Canada and the occupation of Palestine.

What, like, the hidden link between or

item a, item b

Slightly disappointed but happy to acknowledge that this is no fair lens through which the work itself ought to be viewed

they are verrry much more sinned against than sinning

TBH, Chelsea (née Charlie) has sinned against every well-meaning Facebook friend since going on the estradiol.

https://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/michael-bonesteel-resignation-saic-henry-darger-comics/Content?oid=27428790

According to Bonesteel, the first incident occurred on December 12 in his course the Present and Future of Outsider Art. During discussion of a theory that connects the most striking feature of Darger's work—the prevalence in it of little girls with penises—with possible childhood sexual abuse, a transgender student objected.

"The student said there was no proof that Darger was sexually abused, and therefore I was wrong in proposing the theory," Bonesteel says, adding that he agreed that there was no proof, but said many scholars thought it likely.

old-timer mistake, any 'childhood abuse' explanations are a big red flag

Child abuse is a major theme in Darger's work, if not the major theme. A personal history of abuse might not explain the anatomy of his figures but it still seems likely.