he's one of the worst music writers in the world
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 13 May 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
How integral his personal story is to his music.
*barfs*
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 May 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
his everyman persona
― nomar, Saturday, 13 May 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
Guys, guys. . . guys, do you, like. . . are you, like, into bands or. . . ?????. . . do you like, like, listening to records. . . or. . . ???????
― Austin, Saturday, 13 May 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
who are you
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 13 May 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
I love all you music critic guys
― Treeship, Saturday, 13 May 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
Just a guy that's into bands and likes listening to records.
― Austin, Saturday, 13 May 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
And posting words
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Saturday, 13 May 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
Enh.
― Austin, Saturday, 13 May 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link
http://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Salvador-Sobral-wiwi-jury-festival-da-cancao-.jpg
and lock thread
― mark s, Saturday, 13 May 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link
lol
― Odysseus, Saturday, 13 May 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/how-auto-tune-revolutionized-the-sound-of-popular-music/^^this is a decent (if overlong) piece but can't help but wonder why meta-rockism can't stay out of defending new sounds as reinvented versions of old genres, like here:
One legitimate complaint about Auto-Tune could be that it has stripped the blues element out of popular music—all those slightly off-pitch but expressive elements in singing—in favor of a remorseless flawlessness (which is why so much pop and rock today feels closer to the musical theater tradition than to rock’n’roll). But Future goes the opposite direction. He’s reinvented blues for the 21 century, restoring it not just as a texture (raspy, rough-toned) or as a style of delivery (somewhere between speech and singing) but as a mode of feeling, an existential stance towards the world.
... or maybe it's just not blues and hey that's OK too
― niels, Monday, 17 September 2018 10:33 (five years ago) link
Wielding Auto-Tune like this century’s equivalent of the electric guitar
rly...
Auto-Tune and other vocal treatments serve for Thug a role similar to the wah-wah effects that Miles Davis applied to his trumpet during his wild ’70s phase of fevered fusion.
I find these comparisons hilarious and unnecessary
― niels, Monday, 17 September 2018 10:35 (five years ago) link
Can’t believe those old Melody Maker rockism articles from the 80s haven’t been posted or scanned or transcribed online. It’s only a matter of time before all that old paper deteriorates and then all that great influential writing will be gone forever.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 17 September 2018 11:12 (five years ago) link
Reynolds is far from the first person I’ve seen describe Future as a “blues singer”
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Monday, 17 September 2018 11:21 (five years ago) link
“‘The Percocet and Stripper Joint’ is just a 21st century update of ‘Rollin’ Stone.’ My column...”
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Monday, 17 September 2018 11:23 (five years ago) link
And this is not the first time I've seen vocal production compared to Miles Davis, and it's pretty apt. Why on earth would comparisons need to be 'necessary'?
― Frederik B, Monday, 17 September 2018 11:24 (five years ago) link
To be clear, I’m not mocking the notion—he’s got a natural growl in his timbre that isn’t unlike a less theatrical version of Howlin Wolf, or something.
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Monday, 17 September 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link
xp if you think it's a good comparison fine, I thought it was an attempt at legitimizing Thugger/AutoTune which is unnecessary
― niels, Monday, 17 September 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link
Both those quoted passages are interesting to me, FWIW
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 17 September 2018 13:02 (five years ago) link
(Also it’s not as if Miles’ wah-wah trumpet is some universally beloved sound... he could have compared it to a gtr pedal if he were trying to rockist-ly “legitimize” it?)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 17 September 2018 13:12 (five years ago) link
Both passages otm
― gospodin simmel, Monday, 17 September 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link
pleasantly surprised to see this piece acknowledge autotune used in African/Middle Eastern music
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 17 September 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
I think turrican has done a good job keeping rockism alive new
― Ross, Monday, 17 September 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
Scratch new
I read /r/guitarpedals pretty frequently and there's somewhat of a meme around there (and its sister /r/guitarpedalsjerk) of just how belittled women still are in the guitar / gear community. This video was posted recently and it's currently making the rounds. Not sure how this mentality factors into the rockism debate, but I think it's a pretty gross display.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 17 September 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
"rock fundamentally has something to do with abrasion, attitude, and rebellion: It is the categorical opposite of doing your homework"
https://www.theringer.com/music/2018/10/19/17999516/greta-van-fleet-anthem-peaceful-army-band-review-rock-n-roll
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 20 October 2018 13:30 (five years ago) link
maybe critics should talk to people outside their circles more
― maura, Saturday, 20 October 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link
Not a bad article, tho. Funny bit:
Why does a band like Greta Van Fleet exist in 2018? (A friend recently joked, “Because it’s too expensive to clear the rights to Led Zeppelin songs.”)
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Saturday, 20 October 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
From another article about these guys (in Kerrang!):
“Well, rock’n’roll post-1975 was pretty horrible a lot of the time,” says Sam. “I think people had stopped perceiving what rock’n’roll is.”[...]“There’s a genuine element, there’s a truth to what we’re doing,” says Josh. “We’re not manufacturing this, because you can’t manufacture this. I think people appreciate that because now there’s so much manufactured music. You can’t manufacture emotion.”
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Saturday, 20 October 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
What, and run the risk that all the year-end critics' polls might not be the same 20 albums in slightly varied order?
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
It’s also interesting to me that The Ringer writer turns things on their head and criticizes these guys by claiming they’re not “rock” enough — because it’s not rock ‘n roll to slavishly play your daddy’s music, etc. I guess this shows some “flexibility” in the rock-centric attitude; or at least that it can be wielded in different ways.
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
(Or maybe just that she’s using a rhetorical technique of “hitting these guys where it hurts”... like they’ll take it as even more of a sick burn to be told they don’t truly have a “real” R&R attitude.)
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
XxpIn the last few years ilx’s has also been a slight variation of that, though last year was slightly more variedMaybe this is the year we finally break ilx in true rock n roll style
― F# A# (∞), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
It makes me want to know what bands she does consider convincingly "rock," especially since the only new band she speaks of favorably in the piece is fucking Haim. It's a pretty ballsy move to accuse a band of being a bad example of a genre you yourself don't even actually like, but she's far from the only one to try it.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
Yeah, and her critique falters when you think for even a bit about how many respected rock bands over the decade were all about “doing their homework.”
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
*decades
She doesn't necessarily respect any of those bands tbf but yeah, even Zep were p studious about blues and folk history.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 October 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
She liked Perfect Pussy and St Vincent in 2014, at the least, apparently: https://pitchfork.com/staff/lindsay-zoladz/
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 October 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link
If there were still critics' polls...
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 20 October 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
are there people itt who think greta van fleet are something other than a fucking monstrosity or are y'all just being contrarian for the sake of it?
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 October 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
I just happened to hear about them for the first time earlier this week, on a podcast. The dis article makes me curious to check ‘em out and see if I agree that I’d rather hum Led Zep to myself.
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Saturday, 20 October 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
i'd rather hum kingdom come to myself
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 October 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
the whole piece is predicated on “why would people like them” and a good way to find out is to ask
― maura, Saturday, 20 October 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
I hear them on the radio all the time. I think all three of our rock stations agree on them. They're OK; I wouldn't buy an album but I don't turn them off. I feel like Plant had more body to his voice than GvF dude does. I do find them interesting as a phenomenon. They weirdly remind me more of early 90s AOR radio more than they remind me of Zep themselves. xp
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 October 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
My mother-in-law says they've been her new favourite band since she saw them this summer btw. Maura OTM that she could probably answer Zolandz's question better than she does.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 October 2018 23:21 (five years ago) link
They're bad, but they're not The Worst Band In The History Of Music. I would rather listen to them than, say, Young Jesus, a band whose new album is favorably reviewed on Pitchfork today and whose vocalist makes me want to tear my ears off.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 20 October 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
Maura OTM that she could probably answer Zolandz's question better than she does.
I mean, that's assuming that the writer was actually looking for an answer when the premise was probably just a hook for writing a critical piece about the band.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 October 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link
I sometimes think that once poptimism essentially won, it swallowed rock as a category and reconstituted it as a small sub-niche of pop, so that for example on American Idol and similar shows you’d start to see these polished “rocker” singers that felt sort of like leads in a broadway rock musical. Even though Greta Van Fleet sounds like early 70s riff rock, there’s something about them that *feels* more like a pop group or boy band putting on a musical costume.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link