Lou Reed & Metallica - Lulu Poll

'You never had aLittle Dog !'

I've been aggressively consistent in my praise of this record, which I tipsily referred to as "my Sticky Fingers" on Saturday night

there were a few that could see Lulu for what it was....us...David Bowie, few others

i still want to write a book about it, even after having my proposal rejected by 33 1/3

what's that crowdfunding platform I keep hearing about

Feel like if we polled this again, “Junior Dad” would win again.

i mean, rightly, it's a tremendous piece of work

probably my favorite piece of music released this decade so far

A more interesting poll for this record might be second favorite track, not first.

Jessica Troy's viola is as primary a part of "Junior Dad" as anything else.

Released on 11/1 missed the anniversary :(

i still want to write a book about it, even after having my proposal rejected by 33 1/3

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, May 8, 2017 2:28 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would love to read this

The DeCurtis Lou bio gives a decent amount of coverage to Lulu, Lou was pretty hurt by the response, though maybe the (non) response to "Ecstasy" bothered him more.

Both are great records!

Amazing that in the day and age of everyone overthinking and market testing and "curating" everything a record has perverse and off-putting as Lulu was allowed to happen

I still like this album a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1VyWW5hnXY

holy shit

it's uhhh pretty amazing (especially the last minute or so)

i love and miss lou reed

It seems like a few of these songs, "Junior Dad" in particular, were kicking around for a long time before Lulu, I wonder if there are any demo recordings that might see the light of day eventually.

There are couple of times when very Lulu-esque noises/almost riffs churn up on the live performance of Creation of The Universe MM3 live record. I think this was obv something Lou spent a long time thinking about.

Looping back to my earlier comment, per the DeCurtis bio Lou was basically in "fuck it" mode after Ecstasy, a record he kind of slaved over & poured himself into and was met with "yeah another new Lou record, big whoop" & he retired essentially from making straight up Lou Reed records, which is why he did the Raven & then the Berlin tour, but it seems like he still wrote songs, etc.

Anyway I am very curious to hear early vers of these tunes

that laurie version is really great

It seems like a few of these songs, "Junior Dad" in particular, were kicking around for a long time before Lulu

yes, they were all (?) originally written for robert wilson's production of the frank wedekind plays, but my impression is that the initial material was much more droney and abstract. iirc metallica came in later bc they had the enormous sound lou wanted for the words

yeah, there are early junior dads stretching back to 2008 or thereabouts ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhaUDl4jbS0

there's probably enough stuff for LULU: RELULUED ... 10th anniversary release?

thank you thread revive for inspiring me to rewrite my book proposal

brad, i will buy your book

if i ever get an agent i'll tell them we already have one book sold

make that 2!

i still have never listened to this album. maybe today is the day

xp Only two people bought Brad Nelson's book about Lulu, but both of them went on to write their own books about Lulu

Zero votes for "Cheat On Me" wtf guys

why do we cheat on ourselves

The window broke the silence of the matches
The smoke effortlessly floating

Is it unfair to ask you
To help pull me up

RIP Lulu producer Hal Willner

Listening to the boot of the VU to Lulu live set from Lou's last tour and right away on Brandenburg Gate, which otherwise sounds fine, the backing vox are just regular people singing "small town girl", like in a way completely normal people who went to college for music but also listen to Can and have a lot of good dub records would sing it and not the over-the-top "small-TOWN GRRRL!"s that we endlessly clowned James on for becuz he is a maniac and right there that is why Metallica is the ONLY band who could have made this record with Lou because Lulu is a record about maniacs, written by a maniac and played by maniacs. It isn't a good or polite or pretty record, it's a mean, weird grotesque played by and for people who sleep on a mattress on a floor and think about Lemmy as they fall asleep and first thing in the morning and have two different bullet-belts, a nice one and one for everyday wear.

otm!!!!!

SMALL TOWN GIRL

Say whatever else you want but you can never claim that when James sang it he didn't mean SMALL TOWN GIRL with every fucking fiber of his being

great post

lulu for life

I will say any concert that ends with Sad Song into Junior Dad better have grief counsellors in the fucking lobby

One of my favorite ilm posts in some time, v v v otm.

two different bullet-belts, a nice one and one for everyday wear

This in particular.

I actually got the impression that the people who liked this were Lou fans, not metal or Metallica fans.

...and sure, Lou obviously knows something about weird, mean grotesques also.

Lou fans, not metal or Metallica fans.

― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:46 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

all of the above, myself

surely the critics who pilloried this record love lou reed

Yeah, all the above for me too. Although when this came out I was def more of a VU and '70s Lou fan, it was actually this album that nudged me towards finally checking out his later solo stuff with more intention.

It seems to me that his reviews had been tepid since Magic and Loss 17 years earlier. None of the critics should have been "shocked" or disappointed by the lyrics on Lulu if they had listened to Ecstasy and The Raven.

I wonder if there is anyone (not a Metallica die-hard) who thinks this is Lou's only good record?

Listening to LULU right now

my small town girl

you're just a small town girl who's gonna give lulu a whirl

there is no time for guilt
or second guessing

and here's that VU > LULU set from 2012 chris mentioned: https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/641027816435089408/lou-reed-heineken-music-hall-amsterdam
it's good!