frasier - c/d s/d

Angell and his wife, Lynn, were among the passengers of American Airlines Flight 11 killed in the September 11 attacks when the plane was hijacked by members of Al Qaeda and flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City in 2001.[1][4][5]

Coincidentally, a 1997 episode of Frasier titled "Odd Man Out" of season 4 episode 24 (an episode which Angell co-wrote) features a woman's voice, Linda Hamilton, on Dr. Frasier Crane's answering machine stating she will arrive into Sea-Tac Airport, though she does not actually say Sea-Tac airport, on American Airlines' Flight 11. The episode was first broadcast on May 27, 1997: 4 years and 3 months later, Angell and his wife perished aboard that same flight. Eerily, in the same episode a couple getting engaged in the same restaurant in which Frasier is dining alone, the man says to his fiancée that if they ever should die he hopes that it's at the same time so they wouldn't have to be apart.

That's horrible

Feel like seasons 2-4ish were the golden years? Just a feeling bc ive not rewatched them since this second time

S09e16 was a good ep after a while. Second half of s08 and first half of s09 are really bad but it's picking up steam again

Anyway this is the one where michael keaton guest stars as an invalid and after a life of decadence and charlatanry becomes a tv evangelist like persona. Probably one of the best episodes of the show

Season 1 is different, but really good in it's own way, imo. To me the golden years are 1-5 and the end is when the season finale for 5 for the first time ends on a cliffhanger. After that, it's much more broadly glotbased, and less about mood and character.

I enjoyed Frasier, but Cheers was so far superior a show.

keaton one was all time, def

Just watched that one too. That bit where Frasier stands up bleating like a sheep, haha

the dip into series 10 is especially stark because it's suddenly in hd. the pacing plummets just as the picture gets crisp, so you can really see those phoned-in performances in exquisite detail.

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:55 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

holy crap is this ever true

and zooey deschanel as early 2000s hipster/ilxor makes her debut as jen in s10e04

i would say her acting is off if it wasn't for her recognizable ironic/deadpan persona she likes to put on

still needed a bit of work in those early days but she's just about got it

S10e14, 15 and 16 are the only real good ones this season

Some good parts throughout

E12 or 13 might've been good too i last track (and 14 might not have been that good)

On e18 and it's they're revisiting the fancy french bakery and the crane bros are after smuggled beluga caviar

So so

S10e20

Not even Elvis costello (and john hannah) could save this one

or Matt Besser

(although I liked that scene)

Haha that's true

Only the short, understated performances are good now

watching frasier stoned and it occurs to me that the actors playing martin, niles, bulldog, and, the only one playing a gay character - gil are all gay

the guy who plays gil is also charles pahluniak's literary agent

Gil's not gay (or is at least closeted as he has a wife).

(copied from upthread a bit)

Roz: We thought Deb was your cat.

Gil Chesterson: She is not a cat! She is Mrs. Gilbert Leslie Chesterton, a Sarah Lawrence graduate, and the owner of a very successful auto body repair shop. Honestly, the conclusions people make, just because a man dresses well and knows how to use a pastry bag!
[he exits]

Frasier: Well, that's the first time I've ever seen a man "in" himself.

yeah, i seem to remember a piece back in the day remarking that the only (then-outed) gay actor on the cast was the one who played the most testosterone-heavy hetero-sex-pest. is john mahoney officially out? i know he's historically played his cards close to his chest, as far as his private life.

I'm surprised he didn't offer to help Daphne's brother with his Mancunian accent. And Daphne, for that matter.

Ailsa later in the show - seasons after the supposed revelation that he has a wife - it is heavily and unambiguously implied that Gil is actually gay.

I was shocked when I found out Jane Leeves was actually English considering how false her accent sounds.

Gil was so so gay. He even snuck into a gay bar at the end of one episode.

I thought he didn't actually go to the gay bar, it was just a comical misunderstanding to add to all the "lol Gil's so gay" thing. I mean, clearly he's gay but it's never actually stated despite all the heavy-handed pointers. I like to think there's an alternate sitcom spin-off universe in which stereotypically gay female mechanic Deb Chesterton is caught up in all these comical misunderstandings as well.

^^The Frasier fanfic guy probably has 20 seasons of that somewhere.

don't really care to speculate too much but only david hyde pierce and dan butler have come out

in the 90s there was a lot of speculation though

bear in mind that one of the high points in the show was when they were making fun of how supposedly straight men were doing the most stereotypically gay things, specifically as martin reestablished his relationship with frasier and his friends/acquaintances

the whole joke about gil is that he is the only one who feels the need to actually show he is straight and explicitly says he does things a stereotypically straight man would do but the punchlines are the small details or actions that out him as extremely feminine

roz is the male version of a "pig," probably preempting the whole bitch/new feminism culture popular years later

still on season nine of this, and it bounced back a bit. Comedy is snappier.

Seems like in its later seasons this was still good, except for anything having to do with a romantic relationship. All those plots are humorless slogs, yet the show committed more and more time to them

I'm surprised he didn't offer to help Daphne's brother with his Mancunian accent. And Daphne, for that matter.

― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, May 28, 2017 4:12 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's because he is not capable of it anymore

he said he purposely tried to lose his accent in the 80s i believe and he never spoke in it even in the 90s

apparently it was because he wanted to blend into american society. i understand that. it's a survival instinct. just like how canadians start speaking like americans when they come to the US

his is more of an extreme case but probably has to do with him being in the US military too

daphne not having a manchester accent is weird in the first few years, but later a lot of people lose a lot of the distinctive features of their original accent if they live outside their native country

xp

ya it goes through more ups and downs past season 8

i'm in s11e08 i think

so far only two really good episodes and they were much in the style of the early years

Gainsbarre

big part of the decline on this show is b/c Niles and Daphne make a horrible couple. Very little chemistry, beyond Niles repeatedly saying they have chemistry. I wonder if the writers were ever tempted to undo their coupling and just act like it never happened, like Frasier/Roz. The show invested so much in their relationship and then had so little payoff for it

it didn't help that daphne was such a shit to niles towards the end

daphne not having a manchester accent is weird in the first few years, but later a lot of people lose a lot of the distinctive features of their original accent if they live outside their native country

It's more that it's not a very good Manchester accent - though at least it sounds Northern English and not Australo-Cockernee.

off topic? but they just showed the "gay" episode of Cheers oh boy that's a good one.

I think a best subplot would have been for Niles and Frasier to construct some sort of balloon traveler and travel the world with their dad in his hilarious shitty chair

S11e12

Gil: And a duck confit that's as rich as Donald Trump and twice as greasy

It may be the gulfs will wash us down
It may be we shall touch the happy isles
And though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven
That which we are we are
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find and not to yield

you reached the end of your quest?

there's no way i could make it through this series - when it was on originally i gave up around the time niles and daphne got together, which i now realise is only a little over half way into the series - which perturbs me) but ive watched the first two seasons in the last few weeks

ya

i stand by what i said but basically seasons 2-5 were really good (1 was good too but i feel like they were just getting started)

6 was good too but not as solid

7 started getting bad

there was a dramatic drop off in quality by 8

10 and 11 are pretty bad but i stuck with it, sometimes dozing off/falling asleep during a few episodes

I always felt (and have probs expressed in this thread already) that Cheers was a sharper, warmer, more nuanced show

The problem with this show imo is that the repartee is near untouchable but I can't bear the farce

I like the farce! I thought I would hate it but it always won me over. Except the camping at the cabin one.
Worst bits for me are bulldog and Daphne's family

"The Two Mrs. Cranes," the farce where Daphne is pretending to be married to Niles, is one of my favorites. Especially when Martin willfully sabotages the whole charade by claiming to be an astronaut.

OMG, Daphne's ex-boyfriend's accent.

Just started rewatching this from episode one after finishing Cheers, and it’s such a jarring, unwelcome transition. It’s impressive how quickly the show distanced itself from its predecessor, but the changes to Frasier’s character and temperament are so harsh. Weird to imagine what viewers must have thought at the time

I WAS DISAPPOINTED TBH

I grew to like it. But I think it's aged worse than Cheers - or, perhaps, it perfectly nails an unlikeable character I no longer enjoy spending time with.

Unlikeable characters. Apart from his dad.

and Roz

That's true, I loved Martin and Roz (who has had some SEVERE work done, going by her appearance in the fourth season of Broad City)

I grew to like it. But I think it's aged worse than Cheers - or, perhaps, it perfectly nails an unlikeable character I no longer enjoy spending time with.

Ha, yes! The truth of Grammer's character stains Frasier somewhat (also he reminds me of my stepdad)

for me it’s mainly grammer’s astonishing collection of bald-man mullets throughout the run which makes the show hard to watch whenever i run across an episode now

i feel i have perhaps shared this to this thread before but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXceET3-awc