2017 NBA OFFSEASON

Seriously though just going by the usual "qualifiers" (not saying these are the best but just what historically gets u in) top twenty scoring a finals MVP a bunch of all star spots and a ring basically means a lock

Melo is gonna be a real interesting test, I'm assuming he has another couple yrs of decent but declining production and probably a massive drop off after that, and no way he's winning a ring unless he gets on someone's bandwagon as a 37 yr old eighth man

the melo comparison is funny cause "hes just a smarter tougher defense playing melo" is a description of a great player

lol otm. PP is in for sure. ive gone through a bunch of phases w him where i hate him then love him.

i don't think you can really look at what the basketball HOF is and conclude pierce and melo aren't HOFers. they're both locks

College and international play counts too. Melo could prob get in on that alone

Melo clearly deserves it, i mean McGrady just got in.

mcgrady is much better than melo tho

more adrian dantley than MJ obv but there's no shame in that

McGrady for peak obv, no argument

the only point i was making was that clearly the bar is lower for basketball than it is for other sports. it's probably just due to smaller roster sizes. it wouldnt be very fun if there was like one hall of famer every other year

its because basketball has more good players than other sports

Oh I forget the ball hall is totality of ball, just on the medals and college champ Melos def in, deservedly on that score- dude was a monster in a couple of Olympics

the only point i was making was that clearly the bar is lower for basketball than it is for other sports. it's probably just due to smaller roster sizes. it wouldnt be very fun if there was like one hall of famer every other year

I don't see the logic in this argument. More people are on MLB rosters but that doesn't mean the bar to hall of fame caliber play is higher. You could make the same argument that making it into the NBA at all is a higher bar to clear.

more people playing a sport --> more people >2 standard deviations above the average player

guys like paul pierce just don't make the baseball hall of fame

that's for damn sure

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/4/7/0/139410470/072815_oaklad_pierce_firstpitch_med_bxk2ihrk.gif

like pierce was a top ten player for a year or two maybe. even without adjusting for size of the field, are modern baseball players who were rarely if ever among the top 10 players in the game making the hall of fame?

NBA hof is a bit warmer to guys who have some kind of champion/winner pedigree than MLB hof, i think? you never really see the same kind of gatekeeping debates about cumulative stats and that sort of thing. I guess it could be argued that Paul Pierce is like an NBA version of Kirk Gibson, like a clearly superior player who could do almost everything, but one with a brief peak.

which is fair, a single player can definitely influence a playoff series way more in basketball than in baseball and we're still not great at quantifying that

(that said pierce wasn't the best player on his championship team and was pretty average in the playoffs in general)

why does baseball even have a hall of fame it shd have a hall of shame

baseball is good now that aaron judge is here

If Steph Curry ends is career tomorrow, does he make the hall of fame?

yes

yes. next question.

yeah

i mean hes got 2 mvps

is rose the only mvp that isnt going to get in? did we talk about this already?

good stuff from dame n crew
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708008-damian-lillard-leads-blazers-in-donating-playoff-bonus-money-to-team-staff?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

steph holds the record for most threes in a season by such a large margin it's crazy.

nice thats cool xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl8RvgLywz8

travelgate continues

more people playing a sport --> more people >2 standard deviations above the average player

guys like paul pierce just don't make the baseball hall of fame

Do more human beings on earth play basketball or baseball

in terms of who is eligible for the halls of fame, there are way more MLB players than NBA players. this is not a hard concept bro come on

You're acting as if talent is randomly distributed among a player pool and thus a larger player pool means it's harder to be elite.

If you contracted MLB the 20 best players would still be there.

elite is a relative thing tho. all the stats we use are weighted vs the average or replacement level player

I don't see how having 40 teams instead of 30 would lower Lebron's PER

Logically it would be higher because it would mean more mediocre players and more mediocre franchises to pad your stats.

But really that's not Kev point. The point is that is that the elite pool (let's say the top 0,1%) of baseball is larger because there is more players playing. That makes it easier to have marketable hall of fame classes year in year out, perhaps basketball includes the top 0,3% to make sure there is a steady influx of players enshrined. I said ~perhaps, I don't know.

In any case the baseball hof is no model.

Artis Gilmore waited over 20 years to get in the hall and Walter Davis will never make it. Even Gilmore only got in because Colangelo forced the issue. You have to be really fucking good to make the NBA hall of fame.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_Ls32iU0AAY64_.jpg

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i'm not sure there's really a scenario where that would make sense tho

tho with doc you never know

with phil u never know

but yeah i dont see any scenarios

It would be funny if it's the lakers and he heard wrong

thats why he deleted the tweet lol

Marc Stein‏Verified account @ESPNSteinLine 2m2 minutes ago
NBA Coaches Association announces Houston's Mike D'Antoni & Miami's Erik Spoelstra as co-recipients of its inaugural Coach of the Year award

kinda a cool award

yeah coach of the year doesn't seem like the kind of award the media needs to be voting on. no one really understands it well enough