Least despicable Sublime single

man i was SO INTO this band in like 6th/7th grade

haha yea those lyrics are pretty nuts.

however,

man i was SO INTO this band in like 6th/7th grade

me too

Love's what I got
Don't start a riot
You feel it when the dance gets hot

Used to crack me up every time: "Rye-ot." It's like he got to the middle of the word and thought, lookit me, ma, I'm rappin'!

They were seriously my favorite band at some point in high school. And they're still huge here in Cali. I think this goes along with the controversial "Hanging out w/ people who don't know anything about anything and are into lame shit" thread, like how so many people whose tastes haven't budged since HS. Like there are seriously so many people in NorCal who listen EXCLUSIVELY to this weird prescribed list of music that includes radio rap, Bay area rap (Mac Dre, Andre Nickatina, hyphy shit) and a couple of acceptable bro-rock bands, of which RHCP and Sublime are the cornerstones. See also the enduring popularity of Pepper and Slightly Stoopid.
I read recently on a blog someone describing a trip to his suburban hometown as a place "where tight pants are still weird and Sublime never got old," which is so OTM it hurts, even in Sacramento, which in terms of population is a pretty major urban center.

someone made the "don't start a Wry-Ott" joke once and i loled

Never knew they did a version of "Scarlet Begonias" until a couple of weeks ago.

xpost, it was "i predict a wry ott" and it was the one post of mine i would put in the hall of fame

I predict a wry Ott.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, March 1, 2006

from awesome nick sylvester (rip) thread

Early in the morning risin' to the street
Light me up that cigarette and I strap shoes on my feet

oh god he wears TEVAS.

They were seriously my favorite band at some point in high school.

yup, and as you said i'm glad to have moved on (and away from certain people who still listen to em) but fuck it if i ever live to see the day where there isn't any real estate left in my heart for sublime. and to the people knocking the lyrics; okay, fair, shit is lame BUT they were 90s california stoners and they don't sound an eighth as ridiculous as they look. i'd even go so far as to say that the lyrics to santeria, which i voted for btw, are good in the context of the song and with the delivery. i know i'm defending the indefensible to alot of you, but you're giving sublime way too much of a hard time.

data rape stylee

hated this band in high school hate them now and fuck southern california

ok might have been a little hyperbolic there

Dear ILM, I appreciate this constant rash of antipathy towards sublime thats been about in the last week, keep it up.

i'll defend socal against kneejerk hate most of the time but in this case, go ahead

hated this band in high school hate them now and fuck southern california

How it took fifty-something posts to get straight to the point I've no idea, but hey I'll take it.

Dear ILM, I appreciate this constant rash of antipathy towards sublime thats been about in the last week, keep it up.

it's a rare show of unity for us.

A Deeper Shade of SoulWhat I Got

walked back my appreciation for the singles after shamed by college friend who read the lyrics closer (but not necessarily correctly), but still think dude knew his way around a melody and socal+hippie shit rubs up against the pleasure centers

"santeria." still like that album. it's catchy.

(it's possible that my view has been colored -- or at least not obstructed -- by not actually personally knowing any of these bro-type cali dudes, or any fraternity brothers of any kind for at least 20 years. i understand that sublime fan frat bros are awful people. but it's just an abstract thing to me.)

I was actually a bit more ambivalent to them two weeks ago, and while there are many far worse things than Santaria or What I Got, it's thanks to that thread about their sub-idiotic song about the LA Riots that I not only can't stand them, but really dislike them. Thinking of all the people I've known who have liked Sublime makes it worse, too.

which thread? (sorry i have not been paying attn. to sublime-related material.)

anyway, american ILM has a massive and mostly well-considered hang-up with bro-culture (see also dave matthews). in the case of sublime i think it sort of unnecessarily trashes a pretty entertaining punky pop band. but i guess it's a small price to pay for holding the line against the cargo-shorted hordes.

(and, you know. i own some cargo-ish shorts. and have been to bonnaroo. i probably am the enemy.)

chaki (rip) and gygax (rip) are the only other ilxors i know who would rep for sublime. i stand tall with them.

guys i kinda hate most of sublime's catalog and i've been known to slowly back away from people at parties who talk about their love for sublime, but do i really have to point out that santeria uses a trope known as the narrator and date rape does not actually advocate date rape?

like, you guys know this and are calling the lyrics indefensible on aesthetic grounds or something, right?

all that said: would vote for "april 29, 1992 (miami)" which for some reason is missing here but in its absence will vote for the bland "what i got"

like, you guys know this and are calling the lyrics indefensible on aesthetic grounds or something, right?

i would fall in this camp, yes... at least wrt date rape

"So I take her to the can" ???? what does this mean????

"Spend some time in America
Dub style!"

what does this have to do with raping a teenage prostitute?

this bad is loathsome and perplexing

hoos, you don't need to be that smart. shit is shit.

"So I take her to the can" ???? what does this mean????

the gentleman is retiring with the young lady to the W.C. (for purposes of fornication)

HOOS pretty much OTM, lots of things to say about why sublime is a no go without resorting to strawmanning the lyrics IMHO

Sublime's best original song is probably "Ebin." The song "40 oz To Freedom" isn't bad either. "Saw Red" with Gwen Stefani was okay.

I like a few of their covers a lot, including "Hope," "We're Only Gonna Die From Our Own Arrogance," "Scarlet Begonias," and "Rivers Of Babylon." I'd rather not vouch for any of their other songs, but these covers are probably their best stuff.

I never understood what the hype was all about with their self-titled.. it's mostly boring to me. The first album is really their only good record IMO.

Which one didn't inspire Jack Johnson?

"Doin' Time," right?

The fact that "Date Rape" doesn't condone date rape doesn't automatically make the lyrics any good!

yes i think we are all capable of understanding why the lyrics are bad w/out making stuff up, guyz.

Which one didn't inspire Jack Johnson?

jack johnson isn't creepy adolescent rape-o music, it's just boring dude music.

adolescent rape-o music

I think comments like this are why Hoos felt he needed to remind you guys that its not a pro-rape song. Seriously WTF is with ILM slapping the "rape music" tag on shit they don't like? Can we stop that now? There are plenty of other, more valid, reasons to hate on this stuff.

I think "rape-o" describes the fanbase, not the song.

oh that's cool then

there's something a little rapey abt "wrong way" tbf

Again, "narrative".

yes i am aware that the song has a narrative component

Not all narratives are created equal, is the thing. When most of your best-known songs revolve around the common theme of forcing/coercing women who don't want you into doing things with you, it's fair to point that out and have the opinion that it's kind of gross.

I don't think akm was singling out any of those songs when he called Sublime "creepy adolescent rape-o music" though.

yeah, i generally fall into the camp that thinks sublime is stupid, but that wouldn't stop me from singing the lyrics to pretty much all of these songs drunk at a party

only 40 people were at the first sublime show, but they each went out and raped somebody

yeah, i generally fall into the camp that thinks sublime is stupid, but that wouldn't stop me from singing the lyrics to pretty much all of these songs drunk at a party

Oh, so YOU'RE the guy at the bar yelling.

there's something a little rapey abt "wrong way" tbf

but but but he says it's the WRONG way!

nah i mean, part of their deal was they had a sort of scum-rock appeal -- the sleaziness is kind of by definition indefensible, it's not supposed to be defensible. a little of that thing goes a long way, imo, but joined up to catchy tunes and all it's more likely to make me laugh than freak me out. there are lots of good reasons to object to "santeria," but when it was on top 40 radio i thought it was funny.

Love all the neologisms posted on this therad: "scum-rock," "rape-rock."

at least I'm not being a quasi racist idiot about it

oh wtf

if you're seriously hurt that I suggested sublime and arrested development had any similarities despite the difference in their lyrical stances, i apologize

Okay,
The way kids are living is 100% European
African boys and girls:
Set down your Nintendo joysticks right now!

Japanese! Nintendo is Japanese. Japan is in Asia.

I am not hurt, and "quasi racist" was way too strong and I apologize for that. I still think calling out those two songs as suspect is incredibly strange, though.

just to clarify, i was not trying to equivocate between the inane shit nowell says about dark subjects and the inane shit speech said about dark subjects, but note that both were '90s-identified post-hiphop hippie good time groups that said inane shit about dark subjects.

And I don't think it's incredibly strange to call out songs that incoherently race bait and have a guy telling a woman who just had an abortion "after I scold U, maybe I can mold u to share your truths with me. To tell U the truth, you made a mistake."

i have run into corny motherfuckers here who earnestly talk about arrested development as some shit people should be up on. :(

I've never raped anyone at least as far as I can remember. We were at a party a long time ago and we were all talking about how much date rape sucked. This guy was like, "Date rape isn't so bad; if it wasn't for date rape I'd never get laid." Everyone at the party was bummed out about it, but I was cracking up and I wrote a funny song about it.[2]

game recognizes game?

I saw Fishbone last month and they covered "Date Rape" and I was like "well, it's late, I saw enough of this show to be done now" because ugh it is rough watching somebody sing "Date Rape"

there were a lot of Sublime fans in college but when they played the first album, it was more about Ruca/40 oz/Smoke Two Joints, plus the Dead and Marley covers. I dont remember people playing Date Rape all that much...

I remember a while back wanting to write an exegetical essay about Sublime and "Wrong Way" which I look back now and am glad I didn't...

Yeah, Date Rape is buried so deep in the second side of the tape, sorta at the end with the less vital tracks (the decendants cover, krs-one, thanx) and right after another of the weaker songs on the album (Ebin).