Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

also Fred I think you missed Adam's point just a tiny bit

and, yes, white people policing the borders of black identity is violent.

This makes it seem like the paper is taking the position of getting to define who is and isn't black, when surely any defense of transracialism (ignorant, ill-advised, whatever) works towards a situation where this can no longer be defined? Blackness as a social construct being a political invention to further white supremacy.

I realise the problem is that race being a social construct does not eliminate its reality in everyday life, structural oppression, etc. and that these issues need to be faced, which is why there was such a strong negative reaction towards Dolezal, but "policing the borders" seems like a weird way to characterise something that aims to make those borders irrelevant.

But at the moment, nobody expects transracialism to go both ways, so isn't it in practice just a further consolidation of white privilege?

But at the moment, nobody expects transracialism to go both ways

I literally only know of one person who identifies as transracial, and I think that goes for most people who've heard of the term (just did a search for "transracial", "assigned black at birth" and that throws up nothing but Dolezal links, too), so isn't it a bit early to make that statement?

(a bit early to write an academic paper on the issue as well, probably)

a certain key&peele sketch comes to mind..

it's weird how strategies that seek to erase race, a bit like people who don't see skin colour, always seem to work in a whitening direction

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the revelation that nv thinks of fred b as the muhammad ali of ilx discourse has turned my world upside down

two titans of the challop game at the peak of their powers

couldn't find a Gary Mason pic quickly enough

I am thinking of self-identifying as a member of the upper classes, see how that works out for me

*tugs forelock deferentially*

class is just a social construct, plebs

it's working out great so far imo

Are people seriously calling for Stephen Colbert to be sacked over that cock-holster joke?

Are people seriously calling for Stephen Colbert to be sacked over that cock-holster joke?

Right-wing internet people who think they see a lever, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzVc7s-_e8

Couldn't find the exact right thread but needed to relay this story somewhere. My wife, a teacher, had to attend a workshop on microaggressions, led by two Hispanic women and a very tall white woman. Toward the end, people were sharing their experiences with microaggressions and the tall white woman described how she hated being referred to as an "amazon" and that it made her think of grace jones, but then someone told her it was like being like Wonder Woman and she no longer felt bad about it. A black woman in the audience asked if this had anything to do with the fact that grace jones is black and Wonder Woman is white, and she responded "oh no, my best friend is black."

What's wrong with Grace Jones?

The "best friend is black" line is tacky but the grace jones implication is v offensive.

Of course it is, that's the point.

Yeah.

Sometimes I feel like white people who lead antiracism seminars tend to be sort of racist. Like that dude tim wise.

At least in some cases. It's not a general rule.

maybe theyre just put on the spot in front of ppl more often idk

maybe they shd think about whether they're the ideal person to be doing that kind of training idk

tbf I do a bunch of disability awareness stuff despite crippling incompetency not being an actual disability

What's wrong with Grace Jones?

― Treeship, Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:28 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My impression of Grace Jones is that she's androgynous and kinda a weirdo, if someone were to ask me why I would rather think of myself as Wonder Woman rather than her

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Slave_to_the_Rhythm.png

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2017/05/11/st-olaf-president-racist-note-was-%E2%80%98fabricated%E2%80%99

A racist note threatening a black woman at St. Olaf College was “fabricated” and was not a genuine threat, the college's president told students Wednesday, The Star Tribune reported. The note led to a series of protests on campus and demands that the college do more to promote diversity and to fight racism. The college's president, David R. Anderson, revealed few details about what the college has learned about the note. But he said it was part of a “strategy to draw attention to concerns about the campus climate.” Anderson said that a student was responsible for the fake note, but that privacy laws prevented him from discussing the person's identity or the college's actions involving the student.

dammit

My wife, a teacher, had to attend a workshop on microaggressions, led by two Hispanic women and a very tall white woman. Toward the end, people were sharing their experiences with microaggressions and the tall white woman described how she hated being referred to as an "amazon" and that it made her think of grace jones

Yeah wtf is wrong with being Grace Jones was also my reaction to this

I mean I know what tall woman means obvs: doesn't like being singled out as a 'weird person' for the way she looks and Grace Jones pops into her head as an example of a 'weird person'

weird of her to think of grace jones

Grace Jones is tall, like an amazon.

Obviously being Grace Jones is awesome, plus you don't have to worry if your movie will be decent like WW has to.

Yes, if you're Grace Jones you already know none of your movies has been decent. (Sorry, Conan the Destroyer!)

a view to a kill has a certain charm

Wisconsin state legislature considering a law that would require public universities to suspend or expel any student who interrupts a speaker

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2017/related/proposals/ab299

http://www.wrn.com/2017/05/campus-free-speech-bill-gets-public-hearing-in-madison/

Uh, that is precisely the opposite of free speech, in that it criminalizes speech, and presumably it would be political speech that it most often applies to. What compelling state interest is involved here? This is a law just begging to be declared unconstitutional and it is exactly this nasty overreach by assholes like Wisconsin Republican legislators that the First Amendment was adopted to thwart.

the law is whatever you can get away with

^you sound like the average police officer or lawyer. a judge would tell you different, but that's from a different perspective.

maybe a judge on an island somewhere

Grace Jones is tall, like an amazon

I don't think she is that tall btw.

grace jones is 5'9"

Which is taller than average but hardly Amazonian. Some dispute, some say 5'8", she claims 5'10".

until my early 20s my entire awareness of Grace Jones consisted of that In Living Colour bit where Kim Wayans screams "I'M GRACE JONES DO YOU FIND MY SEXY???"

do you find ME sexy?

goddamnit.

Back in the 80s Grace Jones was like a Carson monologue staple as a scary, man-eating alien woman. I suppose if you ingested that as a child and never interrogated it, it could still pop out of your mouth in an inappropriate place.

this is the weird thing about racism

i think someone of hispanic descent would argue that why would an amazonian be an acceptable comparison and not grace jones?

the character of the amazonian has also been depicted as a caricature in colonial literature that dealt with adventure and exploration

comparing someone to an amazonian is not a compliment in spanish and is often said to poke fun

we live in a weird world

I think you've got hold of another type of Amazonian there.

the character of the amazonian has also been depicted as a caricature in colonial literature that dealt with adventure and exploration

Amazons are figures from greek legend who were purported to live in some hazy area beyond Scythia in Asia. They were described as a tribe run by women who were fierce warriors, who used the bow and arrow as their weapon of choice. The greeks said the young women sliced off their right breasts so that it would not interfere with correctly drawing their bows.

otoh, Amazonians are inhabitants of the Amazon River basin, which river and basin derived their name from an early (false) rumor of a native tribe who resembled the amazons of greek legend. The rumor died fairly early on when no such tribe was found, but the name was catchy and it stuck.

lol okay i googled amazons

damn greek

lol aimless

As restitution you have to watch the Wonder Woman movie.