yikes
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 05:46 (seven years ago) link
KCBS in Los Angeles reports about 20 people, including several nieces and nephews, having a barbecue in the street. They were watching children play basketball in the 2000 block of North Nestor Avenue about 9:30 p.m. when two men walked up and opened fire without saying a word, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.The suspects fled the area.Roy was standing next to his six-year-old niece, according to the girl's grandmother. He put her in a bear hug and took her to the ground. In the process, he was shot in the hamstring and butt.
The suspects fled the area.
Roy was standing next to his six-year-old niece, according to the girl's grandmother. He put her in a bear hug and took her to the ground. In the process, he was shot in the hamstring and butt.
― Spottie, Thursday, 4 May 2017 00:16 (seven years ago) link
hero
wow
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 May 2017 00:29 (seven years ago) link
started this thread: BIG3 — America's 3-on-3 Professional Basketball League
― Spottie, Thursday, 4 May 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
Paul pierce is a hall of farmer u lunatics
Anyone who clowned Kobe in the finals gets in no questions asked
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, 5 May 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
Seriously though just going by the usual "qualifiers" (not saying these are the best but just what historically gets u in) top twenty scoring a finals MVP a bunch of all star spots and a ring basically means a lock
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, 5 May 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
Melo is gonna be a real interesting test, I'm assuming he has another couple yrs of decent but declining production and probably a massive drop off after that, and no way he's winning a ring unless he gets on someone's bandwagon as a 37 yr old eighth man
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, 5 May 2017 15:18 (seven years ago) link
the melo comparison is funny cause "hes just a smarter tougher defense playing melo" is a description of a great player
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 May 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
lol otm. PP is in for sure. ive gone through a bunch of phases w him where i hate him then love him.
― Spottie, Friday, 5 May 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
i don't think you can really look at what the basketball HOF is and conclude pierce and melo aren't HOFers. they're both locks
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
College and international play counts too. Melo could prob get in on that alone
― Spottie, Friday, 5 May 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Melo clearly deserves it, i mean McGrady just got in.
― nomar, Friday, 5 May 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link
mcgrady is much better than melo tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 May 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link
more adrian dantley than MJ obv but there's no shame in that
― nomar, Friday, 5 May 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link
McGrady for peak obv, no argument
― nomar, Friday, 5 May 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link
the only point i was making was that clearly the bar is lower for basketball than it is for other sports. it's probably just due to smaller roster sizes. it wouldnt be very fun if there was like one hall of famer every other year
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
its because basketball has more good players than other sports
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 May 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
Oh I forget the ball hall is totality of ball, just on the medals and college champ Melos def in, deservedly on that score- dude was a monster in a couple of Olympics
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Friday, 5 May 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
I don't see the logic in this argument. More people are on MLB rosters but that doesn't mean the bar to hall of fame caliber play is higher. You could make the same argument that making it into the NBA at all is a higher bar to clear.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
more people playing a sport --> more people >2 standard deviations above the average player
guys like paul pierce just don't make the baseball hall of fame
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
that's for damn sure
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/4/7/0/139410470/072815_oaklad_pierce_firstpitch_med_bxk2ihrk.gif
― nomar, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
like pierce was a top ten player for a year or two maybe. even without adjusting for size of the field, are modern baseball players who were rarely if ever among the top 10 players in the game making the hall of fame?
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
NBA hof is a bit warmer to guys who have some kind of champion/winner pedigree than MLB hof, i think? you never really see the same kind of gatekeeping debates about cumulative stats and that sort of thing. I guess it could be argued that Paul Pierce is like an NBA version of Kirk Gibson, like a clearly superior player who could do almost everything, but one with a brief peak.
― nomar, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
which is fair, a single player can definitely influence a playoff series way more in basketball than in baseball and we're still not great at quantifying that
(that said pierce wasn't the best player on his championship team and was pretty average in the playoffs in general)
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
why does baseball even have a hall of fame it shd have a hall of shame
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 May 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
baseball is good now that aaron judge is here
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
If Steph Curry ends is career tomorrow, does he make the hall of fame?
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 5 May 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link
yes
― Spottie, Friday, 5 May 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link
yes. next question.
― Aimless, Friday, 5 May 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
yeah
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
i mean hes got 2 mvps
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 May 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
is rose the only mvp that isnt going to get in? did we talk about this already?
― Spottie, Friday, 5 May 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
good stuff from dame n crewhttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708008-damian-lillard-leads-blazers-in-donating-playoff-bonus-money-to-team-staff?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
― Spottie, Friday, 5 May 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
steph holds the record for most threes in a season by such a large margin it's crazy.
― Aimless, Friday, 5 May 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link
nice thats cool xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 May 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl8RvgLywz8
travelgate continues
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 May 2017 23:08 (seven years ago) link
more people playing a sport --> more people >2 standard deviations above the average playerguys like paul pierce just don't make the baseball hall of fame
Do more human beings on earth play basketball or baseball
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 5 May 2017 23:14 (seven years ago) link
in terms of who is eligible for the halls of fame, there are way more MLB players than NBA players. this is not a hard concept bro come on
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 May 2017 23:34 (seven years ago) link
You're acting as if talent is randomly distributed among a player pool and thus a larger player pool means it's harder to be elite.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 5 May 2017 23:43 (seven years ago) link
If you contracted MLB the 20 best players would still be there.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 5 May 2017 23:45 (seven years ago) link
elite is a relative thing tho. all the stats we use are weighted vs the average or replacement level player
― k3vin k., Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:04 (seven years ago) link
I don't see how having 40 teams instead of 30 would lower Lebron's PER
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:39 (seven years ago) link
Logically it would be higher because it would mean more mediocre players and more mediocre franchises to pad your stats.
But really that's not Kev point. The point is that is that the elite pool (let's say the top 0,1%) of baseball is larger because there is more players playing. That makes it easier to have marketable hall of fame classes year in year out, perhaps basketball includes the top 0,3% to make sure there is a steady influx of players enshrined. I said ~perhaps, I don't know.
In any case the baseball hof is no model.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 6 May 2017 04:42 (seven years ago) link
Artis Gilmore waited over 20 years to get in the hall and Walter Davis will never make it. Even Gilmore only got in because Colangelo forced the issue. You have to be really fucking good to make the NBA hall of fame.
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 6 May 2017 05:51 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_Ls32iU0AAY64_.jpg
― lag∞n, Sunday, 7 May 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link
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!?!
― k3vin k., Sunday, 7 May 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
i'm not sure there's really a scenario where that would make sense tho
tho with doc you never know