thanks morbs. i recommend turning off your tv the next time hillary is on it
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link
@DRUDGE Watch Terry McAuliffe. Watch him closely. He's Clinton ticket to redemption in '20. Vicious, perfect Dem. Will unite behind 'Mac the Knife'
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 00:56 (six years ago) link
I suck at sports metaphors, but here goes: Imagine you're the commander of a sportsing team. It's the eighth chukker and the only scoreboard you can see says you're four touchdowns ahead.
can we leave the Falcons out of this
― bought 2 raris, went to chili's (crüt), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 01:09 (six years ago) link
too soon
― Brad C., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 02:25 (six years ago) link
xp J.D.
Mudslinging against Sanders wouldn't need to rely (overtly) on antisemitism, as there are enough children of the Cold War that could be swayed by his pride in socialism or his mid-80s praise of Fidel Castro and the Sandinistas. Or his unemployment til age 35, etc.
Also, if Michael Moore is correct that the Trump vote was a grenade tossed against the D.C. establishment, I'm not sure the flyover electorate would understand that a sitting senator could fill this role. Unfortunately, the marginal vote is no more familiar with civics than Trump himself.
Ideally, the next Dem nominee will be a wonk that can nonetheless speak impromptu, conveying the discontent of the masses with fervor, and not have to rise above decades of calumnies. Clinton only had the wonk down.
― behavioral sink (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link
his unemployment til age 35
ok where are you pulling this out of
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:00 (six years ago) link
his parents died before he graduated are you saying he won the lottery or something
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
did he finish college at 35?
After graduating from college, Sanders returned to New York City, where he initially worked at a variety of jobs, including Head Start teacher, psychiatric aide, and carpenter.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
both his parents were dead when he was 21 i don't imagine he lived rent free for the following 14 years
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:08 (six years ago) link
hard not to conclude Dud at this point, but fwiw i still like her and think DJP is otm upthread
― flopson, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:30 (six years ago) link
Sam Wang is a hack fwiw, despite some tenuous connection to Princeton, and shouldn't be read or grouped with others
― flopson, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:38 (six years ago) link
Mea culpa, I mispoke from my memory of the Kurt Eichenwald piece:
Then there’s the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas...
― behavioral sink (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link
That Eichenwald piece was ridiculous.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
It mostly just seemed like an excuse to rail against Sanders and his supporters. He provided no real evidence that it was those myths that cost the Democrats the election. I don't even really see how myth #2 would have done so: if anything, if Democratic/left/anti-Trump voters thought HRC was less of a strong candidate against Trump, that should have motivated them to come out in greater numbers. And a lot of that ostensible opposition research seems trivial to me, including the latter two points you quote. I don't think writing a dumb porny work of fiction 45 years ago would play as equivalent to the Secretary of State using a private server for classified communications.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link
i recommend turning off your tv the next time hillary is on it
i'm too poor for cable and an antenna gets nothing; the folx i work for have CNN on (always) in the lunchroom and dat election ain't NEVER gonna be over dere
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 05:14 (six years ago) link
vast majority of his voters were delusional, racist, misogynist, or some combination thereof. I don't want them in our party.
i have some bad news for you about millions and millions of people who are already in your party
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 05:26 (six years ago) link
Trump just tweeted about Clinton.Clinton earlier: "Better that than interfering in foreign affairs, if he wants to tweet about me..." pic.twitter.com/hA82VrzG1Q— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 3, 2017
I mean, it must be hell for you, Morbs, but I can't think of anyone who can piss of Trump as much as a returning Hillary Clinton can, so...
And yeah, Trump then tweeted about her.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 11:51 (six years ago) link
david axelrod is a brocialist!
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/331714-axelrod-on-clinton-it-takes-a-lot-of-work-to-lose-to-donald-trump
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
It's true, Donald Trump is indestructible teflon and also super easy to beat in elections.
― passionate plant-based athlete (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
"If I were her, if I were advising her, I would say, 'Don't do this. Don't go back and appear as if you're shifting responsibility.' ... She said the words 'I'm responsible,' but the — everything else suggested that she doesn't really feel that way," he said.
good use of eyes and ears
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
Here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College.
so an estimated 1-4 percentage points. in this article from days before the election he characterized 2.7 percentage points as "Just A Normal Polling Error"
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link
right but she didn't lose those states by 2.7
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
the email server thing, while trivial, was an actual criminal investigation by the fbi. it is the candidate's fault for doing something in the first place - that peers such as obama found stupid and mystifying - which could so needlessly cause them to be under-investigation by the fbi during an election.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
also never owning the email server thing - admitting that it was wrong, admitting that top secret emails were sent through it etc. sometime quite a long time before the election, like i dunno, june or something, might have helped just a tiny bit
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:37 (six years ago) link
BUT HER EMAILS was a bullshit controversy cooked up by her opponents, it was mostly a media trap specifically designed to give Hillary no good options or way out.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Arguing that it could've been refuted somehow gloss over the fact that the accusations were nonsense contrived in bad faith to begin with.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
Basically a "when did you stop beating your wife" frame.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
She called it a mistake and apologized several times for it. I agree that she trivialized the whole thing more than she should but she was getting raked over the coals for it day in and day out. I'd probably avoid the subject too.
btw I don't think the argument was that the email thing was ok, it's that there were at least 20 bigger fires in the Trump camp that were getting like 1% of the attention. including an active criminal FBI investigation for crimes a bit more serious than "mishandling of classified data"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
The real guilty party (as Silver touches on) was the media for taking the (click)bait
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
also Comey seemed to deliberately make it sound like Clinton was getting special treatment because of who she was, which really did fire people up
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
she sort of half apologized for it and didn't mention top secret emails aspect until it came out in the press. not being more forthcoming made people - must throw a bone to the libs here, these people are mainly dumb - imagine there was more there than there was.
there are so, so many political controversies which have caused someone's electoral campaign or career grave damage that were ultimately trivial indiscretions. reacting to them is part of the game.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
hillary was held to a higher standard than trump by the media and lots of other people because we live in a bullshit sexist society. (see our president, for example.) the whole thing stank. that a young James Comey served as deputy special counsel to the U.S. Senate Whitewater Committee is icing on the chocolate cake
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/james-comey-fbi-accountability-214234
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
sexism definitely played a big part but I think being the Candidate of Destiny/"Most qualified candidate ever" up against the TV Ratings Clown Candidate was even bigger. everyone expected Clinton to win and therefore she got criticized like someone who had already been in office for several years. Trump got positive press just for staying silent for a day.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
I don't know the particulars of the email datasets the FBI had, but in my experience its not too hard to boil down emails to a MD5 hash value and dedupe one set of emails across another (weiner docs v. private server docs). Granted the hash values could be changed by Huma forwarding them to Weiner but I'd like to think the FBI has better resources than a mediocre sized law firm but I dont think it could have taken longer than a couple days to determine what exactly was in this stuff - or if it was just dupes of what they already had. The letter wasnt necessary, IMO.
* then again for all I know the broke ass government/fbi was reviewing this stuff in fucking paper form =|
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
on the merits, the email issue was of course pretty trivial. obviously, ideally a candidate wouldn't compromise her viability by exercising judgment poor enough to invite a legitimate FBI investigation. didn't help that the media seemed to treat her unfairly in comparison to trump. comey's letter obviously a disaster. plenty of blame to go around
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries),
it was!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
we get what we pay for =(
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
I dreamt she was President last night.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/apr/26/new-william-gibson-novel-world-where-hillary-clinton-won-agency
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
The Woman In the High Server Farm
― okey-dokey, gnocchi (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
FBI search warrant for Clinton emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop made publicThe discovery of the emails on the disgraced New York congressman’s laptop prompted the FBI director, James Comey, to briefly reopen an investigation that he had closed over the summer into Clinton’s use of the private server to handle emails she sent and received as secretary of state.After getting court consent to delve into the newly discovered emails on 30 October, agents spent several days analyzing them before Comey announced that they contained no new evidence of any wrongdoing by Clinton.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/hillary-clinton-emails-anthony-weiner-fbi-search-warrant
The discovery of the emails on the disgraced New York congressman’s laptop prompted the FBI director, James Comey, to briefly reopen an investigation that he had closed over the summer into Clinton’s use of the private server to handle emails she sent and received as secretary of state.
After getting court consent to delve into the newly discovered emails on 30 October, agents spent several days analyzing them before Comey announced that they contained no new evidence of any wrongdoing by Clinton.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/hillary-clinton-emails-anthony-weiner-fbi-search-warrant
some william gibson-level irony here. the only reason the emails had to come back up was because of the Weiner investigation and the them forwarding some emails at the wrong time essentially stepping on their own rake. wasn't this supposed to be part of the famous Russian plot? how unfortunate she lost the election over some dick pics.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 21 May 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
no.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Sunday, 21 May 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
when an election progresses over 16 months and involves more than a dozen candidates and 100 million voters, the outcome hinges on something more than dick pics
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 21 May 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
not so. close elections hinge on thousands of factors
― flopson, Sunday, 21 May 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
both otm
― k3vin k., Sunday, 21 May 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
― A is for (Aimless)
i know we'd like to believe this
― Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 May 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
Surely the point of that article is in the final paragraph:
In statement, E Randol Schoenberg, a Los Angeles lawyer who had sued to obtain the court papers, said on Tuesday that he saw “nothing at all in the search warrant application that would give rise to probable cause, nothing that would make anyone suspect that there was anything on the laptop beyond what the FBI had already searched and determined not to be evidence of a crime, nothing to suggest that there would be anything other than routine correspondence between secretary Clinton and her longtime aide Huma Abedin”.
That is to say, it wasn't some dick pics, or a rake of their own design. It was institutional failure at the FBI and the media, caused by bullshit both-sides-ism, that blew a story out of proportion and allowed people to paint Clinton as equally bad as Trump. Because saying both sides were equally bad were too many places seen as evidence of objectivity.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 21 May 2017 23:16 (six years ago) link
I'm a bit frustrated by the seizing of my liberal friends on the Ivanka world bank fund Saudi donation thing given how impossible it was to convince them that there was anything remotely unseemly about the Clinton Foundation (which, unlike this Ivanka thing -- a World Bank project -- is actually controlled by the Clintons). Really I see many more parallels between the Clintons and the Trumps, and the Clintons are somehow always given a pass - nepotism, conflicts of interest, even sexual harassment and rape.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 22 May 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link