Rolling Music Theory Thread

Or maybe Fmaj7#11/C, the way you are playing it

Seems like you could also let the low E ring or play the low F there as well.

That chord is used in the opening to "ocean size"

I figured it had to be some sort of variant of the Fmaj7 family. In fact, that's always how I play Fmaj7: just adding the first fret on the B and leaving the high e open.

Thanks =)

Dorian Vs Lydian FITE

Another chord name question: what is this one called?
http://i.imgur.com/7coXdFA.jpg

To clarify: both the low E and high e are muted, the A is fretted at the third fret, D at the second fret, G at the fourth fret, and B at the third fret.

I also use it very frequently and I figure I should know what it is if I'm going to be playing it.

Cmaj9

that's a major 9 chord with no fifth

C E B D

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The steely special

I thank you again!

That shape is also really nice to just go up and down the fretboard with. It really helps me get new ideas started.

Cmaj7sus2

I think "Cmaj9" is a better label for that chord than "Cmaj7sus2". "Sus" usually indicates that the third of the chord has been replaced by the suspension, which is not the case here. The D is even voiced as a 9th above the root here; it is a textbook maj9 chord.

(Personally, I would prefer not to describe anything as a suspension unless it is actually prepared and resolved like a classical suspension but I'm weird.)

Maybe some of us have misunderstood or misused a term or concept here and there over the years, but I'd like to think none of us have ever sounded like that fyre festival guy.

Yeah, that was cringingly hilarious.

I had to examine the harmony vocal part on the chorus of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" - turns out there's one fewer note in the melisma than the lead vocal part.

More chord questions!

This guy:
http://i.imgur.com/UnpVaGs.jpg

That is: low E open, A at seven, D at five, G open, B at seven, and high e open.

Does this even have a name? It must, right?

Emin11

Oh wait I misinterpreted what you said never mind

So EEGGF#E?

Em sus2

Yeah, although I think it is better to call it Em add 2

Interesting.

I actually only have one song where I play that chord. It gets into some hazy territory for me, as I actually don't keep any of my guitars in standard tuning. Because I prefer such heavy gauge flatwounds, I tune down to D and capo from there. The song where I play that chord is in D# (capo at the first fret), making the notes D#D#F#F#FD#.

The Mamas and the Papas - "No Salt on Her Tail"

I guess you'd call it a bridge at 0:56. Anyway, an eight-bar section that starts on the subdominant. First four bars are:

1. IV
2. ii
3. IV
4. vi - IV

Fifth bar starts on a iii chord, but does it stay on it? Or does it go to a I chord for the third and fourth beats? The musicians seem to be playing different things.

What happens at the end of the chorus in "Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves?" Just a hesitation? One extra beat somewhere?

Good question

re: "No Salt On Her Tail," it moves from iii on the first half of the measure to vi on the second half of the measure.

Gypsies, Tramps & Thieves -- I hear it as a bar of 5/8 (where the break and "but every night..." is) followed by a bar of 4/4 (with the little mallet lick and "and lay their money down"). There are some 3/4 bars in the verses too.

crüt, I think the melody suggests that it should go to D minor there, but it doesn't sound to me that the acoustic guitar does that.

I hear it as a bar of 5/8 (where the break and "but every night..." is) followed by a bar of 4/4

I think it happens right there too but I think it's 5/4. Weird thing is, it's an agogic accent on beat four in that bar of five. And then maybe what sounds like an agogic accent two beats later unless you're clued in to the fact that it's actually a downbeat.

Hate it when that happens

5/4 if you're counting double-time, sure. I don't know what agogic means but I know what you're saying. It definitely knocks you off balance if you don't know it's coming.

A friend who is a Radiohead superfan just sent me this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_IHotHxIl8&feature=youtu.be

For the studio version, they probably thought it was a pretty funny joke to have everything hit on the "uh" (as in 1-e-and-uh) but then take out all the drums so there's no context anyway.

Thought you guys might get a kick out of trying to suss out where the verses and whatever other parts of the song there are start and end on this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNa9-INcLec

There's a minor five chord in Don't Go Back to Rockville!

It really strikes me as one of the most characteristically country things about that song, but no idea what the precedent for that might be (or if there is one).

Oh, interesting. I always used to think that was the moment it stopped sounding like 'just' a country song.

I love that part, though!

I'm glad you brought it up. It was fun to work it out this morning.

I and my colleague were just accepted to present an analysis of "Blues for Allah" at the Society for Music Theory conference in November.

Cool...maybe you can share it here too

the whole record?

Just the epic title track but we might consider some different versions of it.

I'll be happy to share it here afterwards btw.

Nice!

This is the proposal we submitted, that outlines what we're going to do, with some diagrams: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qb88EO6jgXan_urdNYEebfE2gZemyrgL/view?usp=sharing

can anyone name examples of songs in the Lydian mode that don't resolve to (or hint at resolving to) Ionian/Aeolian/Mixolydian?

― macklin' rosie (crüt), Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTq6Tofmo7E

Oh cool. I love the Lydian mode.

My heard always hurts a little when I read classical terms I don’t know like 6/4 chords or Common Tone Diminished Seventh Chord.

Sorry I don’t have any Lydian examples. Feel like I once read in some music history book that long ago it was the default major mode, more so than the Ionian, but it’s been awhile,

Or maybe that which we now call Ionian used to be called Lydian.

Or that it was Glareanus who introduced the Ionian mode, which had already existed as a Lydian with a natural 4.

My heard always hurts a little when I read classical terms I don’t know like 6/4 chords or Common Tone Diminished Seventh Chord.

Are you looking for explanations of these?