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Apparently the Heatwave blog dude DJed at Fwd last night and the first two tracks he played were Eye Too Fast and Bounce.

oh yeah i was gonna post that. gabriel's actual heatwave club night is always reliably excellent too but i think this was the first time he'd played at fwd. much wining of waists ensued.

(oneman played an amazing old-school set which culminated in this brilliant garage rmx of mariah's 'my all', and ramadanman played this completely insanely rhythmic set...)

Speaking of ramadanman, his recent podcast for Appleblim's Apple Pips label includes that awesome funky track which marcus plays, a fractured rolling tribal number with these awesome 2-step-style cut-up female vocals. It's like an ever-so-slightly feminized version of Lil' Silva's "Tribal Land". I wonder if it's his own?

The first tune on the April 29 Marcus Nasty Set is another amazing track in this dancehall/funky fusion style. A shame there's something up with the rinsefm set at the moment and i can't download this properly at the moment.

Seriously people.

For a certain to be amazing dj set at my impending birthday party I am thinking of bridging from dancehall to funky via dreamweaver riddim (prob. Elephant Man's "Blessed") ---> "Bounce".

I'm totally late on "Party Hard", but HOTDAMN THE BASS IS HUMONGOUS

Rev, have you heard "Love To Happen", based around DJ Gregory's "Don't Panic"? It's also massive.

Is that another Donaeo track?

Yes!

You really should download the March Mak 10/Shantie set already.
Not sure if this link still works:

http://uploadground.com/files/1W86IJS3/DJ_Mak_10___Shantie_MC_-_26_Mar_2009_-_www.vulive.co.uk_-_DejaVuFM.mp3

Artist: VA
Title: This Is UK Funky House Vol. 1 - Presented By Crazy Cousinz (2009)
Release Date: 11.05.2009
Label: Rinse FM
Genre: House
Quality: VBR kbps / 44.1kHz / Joint-Stereo

Tracklist:

CD 1:
01. Crazy Cousinz & Kyla - Do You Mind
02. Estelle - Come Over (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
03. Alesha Dixon - Boy Does Nothing (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
04. Meleka - Go (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
05. Garrison Hawk - Sweet Music (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
06. Lemar - If She Only Knew (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
07. K.I.G - Head, Shoulders, Kneez & Toez (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
08. Hannah Liston - Embrace Me (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
09. Natty - July (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
10. Sadie Ama - Those Where The Days (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
11. Leo - Hey Girl (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
12. Charlene Dance & Major Ace - Money (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
13. Young Don - Always Be My Baby (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
14. Leo - Indecent Proposal (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
15. Sniper - Dat Body (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
16. Ava Leigh - La La La? (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
17. Jay SeanTonight (Crazy Cousinz Remix)
18. Crazy Cousinz Ft Kimona - I See You
19. Crazy Cousinz Ft Calista - Bongo Jam

CD 2:
01. Geeneus Ft Katy B - As I
02. Crazy Cousinz - Inflation Instrumental
03. Perempay And Dee Ft Katie Pearl - Something In The Air
04. Donaeo - Devil In A Blue Dress
05. Hard House Banton - Sirens
06. Dubplate Malice - Gabryelle Refix
07. Def1 Feat Nyah - Frontline
08. Donaeo - African Warrior
09. Crazy Cousinz Ft Mc Versatile - Funky Anthem
10. Geeneus & Zinc Ft Nikki - Emotions
11. MA1 Ft Sim Simmy - Give It Up
12. DJ Naughty - Quicktime
13. Apple - Chants
14. DJ Footloose Ft Courtney Dennie - So Dangerous
15. Crazy Cousinz - Attract Instrumental
16. Attacca Pesante Ft Shea Soul - Make It Funky For Me
17. Tadow - Hornz
18. Fr3e - Tribal Skank (Skank Calm Down)
19. Roska - Climate Change
20. Apple - De Sieliger
21. Fingaprint - Takeover
22. Sticky Ft Sim Simmy - How Very Dare You
23. DJ Seany B - Stompa
24. Wookie Ft Ny - Fallin Again

LOL at calling your comp "This Is Funky House" and then making it two/thirds your own productions, but then that first disc is probably the one I'm looking forward to more.

A lot of the second disc selections look old now (albeit reliable, and superior to the mix-disc on Volumes), but then I guess that was inevitable. I wonder if, had I been following UK garage as very closely right through 1999, I would have been similarly underwhelmed by the tracklists of all those early-2000 compilations.

it's being billed as a crazy cousinz album, so that first disc is justifiable! and preferable, i think we'll all agree, to CC actually trying to do An Album. both cds are really really great to listen to, anyway, little new for us lot i guess but excellent primers. though i guess they couldn't afford to put the jazmine/shontelle remixes on :(

I'm surprised they didn't include their own "Always Be Mine" - totally massive track! Though "Attract" is ace as well.

Shame about the Jazmine Sullivan remix, I think that may be their finest remix effort. Really need a high-quality version. The "PULL UP!" bit would cause dancefloor devastation I imagine.

I love the "Sweet Music" remix as well, and haven't even heard their take on K.I.G.

Not so into the Estelle remix which seems a bit by numbers. And they were wise to leave off their remix of "Sex Shooter", which is fine but it's an annoying song. They should have included their remix of Platnum's "Loveshy" though.

So, am I right in assuming the first disc is unmixed and the second disc is a mix?

nah, they're both mixed

Yeah that second disc looks a pretty great introduction to the scene, I've been wondering what the first commercial funky compilation would look like. Shame 'In The Morning' isn't on there though.

I was in a very suburban high street pub in deep SE London last night and the DJ played the CC mix of 'The Boy Does Nothing', followed by 'Do You Mind', 'In The Air' and 'Bongo Jam'. My first thought was 'lol 2008' but on the other hand people seemed really into it.

Saw Kode 9 last night and first half hour or so of his set was funky dominated, was really good.

so the rinse 'volumes' comps are going to all be like that from now? not sure i wanna hear so many funky 'albums' really. id prefer it was just mixes. the 2nd one will prob be good/fun but do we still need tunes like something in the air on comps? i wanna see ppl put out mixes of all fresh stuff.

oops i didnt read theyre both mixed. either way, stupid title lol.

"I've been wondering what the first commercial funky compilation would look like."

geeneus already did it...

this thread, i think, has proven to me that 'funky house' is not very funky-- in fact, much of what i like about it is simply Defected-style progressive house tarted up a bit. i mean, i like some of Julien Jabre's stuff and after listening to some Kyla tracks i have im all right with her, but i still don't get how this is the big thing in the UK right now.

Julien Jabre doesn't really have anything to do with what's being talked about on this thread? None of the funky i've heard sounds remotely like prog.

admittedly i'm only a dilettante.

the table is the table, how much UK funky did you listen to before you decided to offer your definitive opinion?

Because funky isn't so much a sound as a (cough) continuum that runs from "Do You Mind" through to "Seasons". I could easily come up with five or ten funky tracks that, if you heard them in isolation, you would assume belonged to separate genres. Kyla's material is close to the conservative end of the scene.

(And none of those genres sound like progressive house, though I suspect you're using that term incorrectly as nor does Julien Jabre)

It's a bit like someone coming on to the techno/house bobbins 2009 thread and saying, "man, I listened to a Steve Bug record and I have no idea why you're so into all this stuff!"

also, the genre name is a bit of a misnomer

I said this on dissensus re the name:

"Granted that the name "funky" is inherited, I think that in an odd way it does have purchase.

With the benefit of hindsight it's clear that a big part of the appeal of more conventional funky house was, perhaps from the beginning (or certainly from 2005), a certain allegiance to syncopation, the push-'n'-pull between the 4X4 kick and the counter-rhythm patterns on top, which perseveres in current funky.

Hence the Dennis Ferrer mix of "The Cure and the Cause" being such a pivotal track in the UK scene's emergence as a distinct (though not necessarily original or innovative at that stage) scene in itself.

While soca patterns have a huge role within current funky, it's also clear that they don't exhaust the current rhythmic template of the genre (no-one in this thread is saying it does - I just want to be clear). In this sense that soca beat could be said to occupy the same role as the basic 2-step beat in garage - lots of tracks use it or a variation of it, but it's only the most obvious of many forms the rhythmic template thows up.

However, I think you could characterise the overall rhythmic template as being one in which counter-rhythms are given a more decisive and prominent role, at times resulting in the abolition of the 4X4 kick (e.g. "A Little Bit Funky" or "Always Be Mine" - though even on tunes like these the absent kick has an implied presence in a way it didn't in, say, 2-step).

Off the top of my head I can't think of many tunes at all which just use a straight house beat with no counter-rhythmic adornment. That awsome Spryo tune on Marcus Nasty's November set with all the MCs toasting on top comes to mind, but even there there was a counter-rhythmic 5-pulse-per-bar chord which provided the same push'n'pull tension. You don't get really monolithic 1-2-3-4 tracks that predominate in regular house.

It's that sense in which "funky" actually means something still I think - whether it accords with more conservative definitions of funk is a separate question, but I'd say if it did the music probably wouldn't be as interesting... "

Yeah, but funky draws it's syncopations much more from afro-carribean musical traditions than the african-american ones that would more likely be associated with the word "funk". I agree with your general points, but at the same time, it's no mystery why the genre tag might be confusing.

(Although I should add that my impression, rightly or wrongly, is that prior to this new wave that started last year, funky house DID draw more from afro-american traditions than afro-carribeanisms.)

some of it is kinda funky, at least in a loose 'rhythmically driving/very syncopated' sense of the term. but then i always thought (trad) funky house was wrongly named to begin with.

i get it, Tim. (I still would characterize Julien Jabre as progressive, though with much variation along that continuum).

i just think of funky house as...well, what is now called 'deep house.' shit like Paul Randolph and more disco-funk influenced house....whereas much of the funky-labelled stuff seems much more influenced by Defected-style big-room house or big-room New York house (ie Ibadan and Nite Grooves), with a much more soca and hip-hop flavor.

also, tim, it's not that i dislike it. in fact i'm warming to its sound quite a bit-- i'm just a bit skeptical, that's all. i'm sure that if i went out to a funky night in the UK or someplace else where it is very popular, i'd have a great time.

As I mentioned upthread, the wonderful thing about UK funky is that it can and does encapsulate virtually the entire history of house music in all its forms with the aid of one rhythmic tweak. Your post raised an eyebrow with me even before Tim interjected - funky can be and already is a much wider range of things than most other dance genres.

And it isn't "very popular" in the UK - in fact most people don't even know what it is right now. It isn't even getting much media coverage over here, although that might change if the sound blows up at the Notting Hill Carnival this year.

Tabes, I think the point is that is should be accepted for what it is, rather than what you think it should be.

Off the top of my head I can't think of many tunes at all which just use a straight house beat with no counter-rhythmic adornment.

'What's In Your Handbag', also the Perempay & Dee remix of 'I'm Right Here' by MA1. But yes, very few. I sort of think of the straight 4/4 as the equivalent of kick-less sections in techno, maybe it re-energises the dancers for when the syncopation comes back in.

sorry, Crazy Cousinz are having some sort of TV special soon, and that means it is popular, in my mind. and yes, i do understand the way television works in the UK and other countries.

and of course, Rev, you're totally right-- i will accept it for what it is, tho i still think it is a misnomer to the max.

"whereas much of the funky-labelled stuff seems much more influenced by Defected-style big-room house or big-room New York house (ie Ibadan and Nite Grooves), with a much more soca and hip-hop flavor."

Well yeah... but I think for most people a tune like the Ferrer remix of "The Cure & The Cause" is pretty much exactly what comes to mind when they hear the term "funky house".

But search the tracklist for any comp bearing these words (e.g. "this is funky house") from the past decade and it's clear that the term is so elastic as to be near meaningless.

To my mind it basically means populist big-room house that is neither too electroid nor too subtle - the more commercial MAW, Joey Negro etc.

Disco Kandi comps, basically! Which strike me for the most part as being less funky than "The Cure & The Cause" in that they're often quite monolithic, warm basslines notwithstanding.

cooly g's fact mix is magnificent

joining all the dots between her dreamy, abstract productions and full-on diva house - i never fully bought into the binary of GRIMY FUNKY at one end and HOUSEY FUNKY at the other, but this mix would make a nonsense of it, anyway

i like 'Dis Boy Pt 4' - probably just for the ravey overtones

assuming that is the one with the "he says he wants to run away" hook

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she is playing here soon

link is working again now btw

not for me :(

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Wish they'd use rapidshare!

yousendit is actually good again these days

co-sign on YSI. i also pay for my account, but damn, it works well.

i am DLing the Cooly G right now, as the link works for me. i am kind of excited-- the description and tracklist look aight, and she seems cool as shit. so.

"joining all the dots between her dreamy, abstract productions and full-on diva house - i never fully bought into the binary of GRIMY FUNKY at one end and HOUSEY FUNKY at the other, but this mix would make a nonsense of it, anyway"

Yes but Cooly G sets sound rather different to other funky sets* so I'm not sure if that says something about funky or just about her.

*to the extent that we can talk about "other funky sets" - obv there's no set pattern and a lot of nominally "UK funky" DJs still play 90% US or Euro material. Really what's most different about Cooly G sets are her own productions, which provide the bulk of the "dreamy, abstract" quotient here.

But yes describing any scene in terms of a "binary" is always gonna be wrongheaded, esp. because funky is drawing from soca, dancehall and broken beat as well as from house and grime.

Cooly G is coming from a different place yet again insofar as she adds minimal and dubstep overtones. Of all the big UK producers only she and occasionally Roska are going for a dreamy/abstract sound. In a lot of ways this runs counter to what I usually like about funky. I think a big part of my enjoyment of funky has been grounded in how it redeploys certain things that i really liked in minimal, being disruptive and intricate rhythms, but does so with a populist/ravey sensibility quite foreign to minimal as it currently stands.

I've noticed that I now have less patience for a lot of the more reduced minimal I used to enjoy because funky has distorted my listening habits somewhat.

Whereas Cooly G's music is very accomodating to a minimal sensibility (and a dubstep sensibility too, but the Hessle Audio end rather than the Caspa/Rusko end obv). I enjoy stuff like "Love Dub" and "Dis Boy" more in the way that I enjoy, say, Pangaea, than in the way I enjoy other funky.

what does the track at 22 minutes sample? def recognize it, but can;t place it

also what is the track at 49 mins with the big "You got to believe in something! Why not believe in me?" diva vocals?