Yeah, Springsteen overdubbed new vocals (and other instruments) on a bunch of The Promise material:https://brucebase.wikispaces.com/The+Promise+-+Studio+Sessions
And as tylerw pointed out, the Stones added to Exile outtakes, and did the same for some of the Some Girls outtakes.
Townshend hired a drummer to add drums to previously drumless demos of "Bell Boy," "I've Had Enough," and a couple of others on the Quadrophenia super deluxe. Much is made in the liner notes about "we used analog equipment for these overdubs" yadda yadda, but the drummer is way too flashy, and it's just distracting.
(long as he doesn't mess with 60s-70s Who).
Funny you should say that! He overdubbed new guitar parts on "My Generation" and one or two others for the 2014 iTunes/HDTracks reissue, subsequently released physically last year on the My Generation super deluxe. These were done because the 3-track masters were missing some 1965 overdubs, so in order to do a stereo remix, Townshend had to re-create these parts. It's actually kind of fascinating to hear 2014 Pete revisit 1965 Pete, and anyway, the original mono mixes are still out there and sound great, so he's not doing it out of any sense of revisionism.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
If he's taking requests, what changes would we want Neil to make?
Re-record everything post-Ragged Glory with the Restless rhythm section, in the style of Eldorado.
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link
re-record every track in his oeuvre as a solo pump organ performance
particularly psyched for the revamped arc
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
There's at least one or two Springsteen songs on Tracks or The Promise that are 100% newly recorded. Others have new vox, or backing vox, or overdubs, though not many, iirc
That stretch of Le Noise, Americana and Psychedelic Pill was so cool. Don't think I've heard a note of the last three.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
feel like he coulda gotten a really great album out of those Promise of the Real guys but in typical Neil fashion he just didn't feel like it and instead we got The Monsanto Years
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
Earth is worth checking out, some great playing on there (and all the Monsanto Years stuff sounded superior on it, I think)
― tylerw, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
peace trail had jams
― niels, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
yeah i think it is a solid record, with some interesting moves.
― tylerw, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
And the version of "The Promise" on 18 Tracks was a completely new recording. Re:those later reissues, I think he pointed out himself that he only added what was necessary to finish the songs to bring them up to the level of the other released tracks and nothing more.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
http://www.dvdactive.com/images/editorial/screenshot/2011/9/desert2004.jpg
― niels, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
Everything he's done this century has worked for me (well, haven't tried PONO yet), up through The Monsanto Years---no idea whether he's right re poison seeds of tyme, but it gave me a vision of his vision: he's been putting the hammer down, waging heavy peace for posterity---of which there may not be any, goddamm! And what kind of world for his kids? I did think some of those tracks might work better live, but Earth's first disc has some baggy-ass tempos, and (though things pick up on Disc 2, and thee cogent critter comments are well-recorded, chosen and timed) the song selection on both is redundant, and selection mainly shows that Neil Cares, duh. Some of it grabs me anyway, but overall not nearly as much as several Promise Of The Neil shows which are or have been posted here and there.Peace Trail is an immediately engaging situation, in terms of Keltner and maybe others having fun with percussion, and I def hear what Tyler mentioned about a Pere Ubu approach on at least one track, but I only like about half the songs so far, mainly the second half. I do like that part pretty well though, and I only like about half of most rock albums (ones of the current decade, especially).
― dow, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
(well, haven't tried PONO yet)
You're too late:
https://www.cnet.com/news/pono-is-probably-dead-long-live-xstream/
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
Townshend hired a drummer to add drums to previously drumless demos of "Bell Boy," "I've Had Enough," and a couple of others on the Quadrophenia super deluxe.
this is just crazy to me - surely the main attraction of a demo is its status as actual artefact of the song/production in the process of being created? if it didn't have drums when Townsend sketched it out then that's how I'd want to hear it.
― Impartial Father (stevie), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 12:07 (six years ago) link
Townshend's demos, since around 1968 or so, frequently featured full instrumentation, all played and recorded by himself. His first solo album, Who Came First, is actually all home demos, but he was so skilled an engineer (and surprisingly competent as a drummer) that they didn't sound like "home demos."
There are only 3-4 Quadrophenia demos that don't have drums, either because Pete wanted to leave Moon more freedom to come up with a part (unlikely, given how Moon is constricted on "Bell Boy"), or because he ran out of tracks. Fortunately, these demos were widely bootlegged, so the pre-futzed-with versions are easy to find. But it's baffling why drums were added, and they add absolutely nothing to the understanding of the creative process -- if anything, they detract from it.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
tbh one of the reasons I don't like Townsend's demos too much is they often sound like the eventual who tracks but with Pete singing and a competent (but not Keith) drummer
― Impartial Father (stevie), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
Jonathan Demme RIP---how are his Neil docs? I liked his Robyn + Venus 3, haven't seen any others.
― dow, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link
I have fond memories of Heart of Gold, even if it's mostly a straightforward concert film
― niels, Thursday, 27 April 2017 05:14 (six years ago) link
Journeys is pretty good, I liked the parts where he drives around his old town.
― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 27 April 2017 08:18 (six years ago) link
digging this clip of Rio 2001 - Cortez - slowed way down, evoking Pink Floyd at this tempo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijrkKNZRIfM
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
nice!just posted this highly recommended comp from the 2003 european tour -- featuring an amazing 12-string, 10-minute Cortez. https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/161242399182/neil-young-eurotour-2003-rumors-are-a-flying
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
Reprise sez:
Neil Young will release a new studio album—which he originally recorded in 1976. The disc, dubbed Hitchhiker, is set for an August 4 release via Reprise Records and will be available on vinyl, CD and digitally.The 10-track acoustic album was recorded live in the studio August 11, 1976, at Indigo Studios in Malibu, California. It contains some of Young’s best-loved songs plus two previously unreleased tracks.The original session was produced by Young’s longtime studio collaborator David Brings with new post production by John Hanlon, who has worked with Young since 1990 and produced his most recent works, including Peace Trail, Earth, The Monsanto Years, etc.As these songs were recorded in a single session, the resultant performances are breathtaking and passionate. The simplicity of a single voice and guitar captured here are as pure and powerful as the creator intended with only Young and Briggs in the room at the time of recording.Many of the songs would not appear on vinyl until years later. The title track, for example, did not officially appear until 2010’s Le Noise and naturally sounds worlds apart from the original. The version herein of “Captain Kennedy” has certain raw spontaneity compared to the slightly gentler version that would eventually surface on Hawks & Doves in 1980.Perhaps the most noticeable jewels in the crown of Hitchhiker are the two previously unreleased tracks that have remained in the vaults since 1976: “Hawaii” a soaring ballad and unlike anything else Young had recorded at the time. Side one closes out with “Give Me Strength,” which would be occasionally performed live in the mid-Seventies but now available here for the first time and may well be considered one of Young’s best long lost gems.Hitchhiker Track Listing:1. Pocahontas2. Powderfinger3. Captain Kennedy4. Hawaii5. Give Me Strength6. Ride My Llama7. Hitchhiker8. Campaigner9. Human Highway10. The Old Country Waltz
The 10-track acoustic album was recorded live in the studio August 11, 1976, at Indigo Studios in Malibu, California. It contains some of Young’s best-loved songs plus two previously unreleased tracks.
The original session was produced by Young’s longtime studio collaborator David Brings with new post production by John Hanlon, who has worked with Young since 1990 and produced his most recent works, including Peace Trail, Earth, The Monsanto Years, etc.
As these songs were recorded in a single session, the resultant performances are breathtaking and passionate. The simplicity of a single voice and guitar captured here are as pure and powerful as the creator intended with only Young and Briggs in the room at the time of recording.
Many of the songs would not appear on vinyl until years later. The title track, for example, did not officially appear until 2010’s Le Noise and naturally sounds worlds apart from the original. The version herein of “Captain Kennedy” has certain raw spontaneity compared to the slightly gentler version that would eventually surface on Hawks & Doves in 1980.
Perhaps the most noticeable jewels in the crown of Hitchhiker are the two previously unreleased tracks that have remained in the vaults since 1976: “Hawaii” a soaring ballad and unlike anything else Young had recorded at the time. Side one closes out with “Give Me Strength,” which would be occasionally performed live in the mid-Seventies but now available here for the first time and may well be considered one of Young’s best long lost gems.
Hitchhiker Track Listing:1. Pocahontas2. Powderfinger3. Captain Kennedy4. Hawaii5. Give Me Strength6. Ride My Llama7. Hitchhiker8. Campaigner9. Human Highway10. The Old Country Waltz
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
stoked!!!!
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
haha, it's been pushed back a month from the first embargoed announcement ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
hell yeah
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
awesome
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
wouldn't exactly call "Hawaii" a "soaring ballad" -- it's more an enigmatic kinda thing akin to "The Old Homestead" I think. Great though!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
isn't hitchhiker the track apparently a biographical recounting of neil's experience with different drugs?
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
yeah, released (in slightly rewritten form) on Le Noise.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
I know this is heresy and I sorta feel bad saying it but... solo acoustic Neil is the segment of his catalog that I am least interested in
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
might be the same for me, but I'm still REALLY INTERESTED IN IT
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
esp if it is from 1976
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
I love his acoustic stuff. I wish I could hear pochantas and powderfinger again for the first time
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
totally. Neil was peaking in '76: http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2016/11/18/neil-young-crazy-horse-us-tour-november-1976/
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
Whoa, no Bridge Concert this year
https://bridgeschool.org/concert/news.php
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
:( :(
maybe ever
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link
?!
I do worry about neil's health every time this thread gets bumped
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 June 2017 00:42 (six years ago) link
tbh I have been expecting it since Peg & Neil split...I just had selfishly hoped they'd do a 'last' benefit show so we could say goodbye properly.
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 June 2017 00:53 (six years ago) link
huh! neil just confirmed he'd be at farm aid this year, so I'm guessing it's not health related. the post-divorce bridge concerts must've been awkward.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 June 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
yeah the vibe of those letters was def like it was a divorce thing IMO
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 June 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
I wish I could hear pochantas and powderfinger again for the first time
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:15 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
same, esp powderfinger
― gbx, Thursday, 15 June 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
they used to share the stage together at various points in the night & she would sing on a few of his songs but the two post-divorce shows, their separate spoken moments felt somehow more perfunctory than ever and though they acknowledged each other and Ben and put a good face on everything, there was a sort of awkwardness since the audience knew & they knew we knew but no-one was saying anything
Peg played with the Survivors that first year after the divorce & it def felt like a sort of flag was planted somehow
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 June 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link
Perhaps if they'd been able to talk, a bitchin' rendition of "Doghouse" could have followed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66lmPYTSDI
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_s8rtCYsCY
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 June 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
Ah, those halcyon Doghouse days...
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
little did we know that the Doghouse ... was us.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Live. . . from the Doghouse
― a (waterface), Friday, 16 June 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RKBUG9VLFU
well this is...somethinggoing back to that living with war vibe i guess?
i didn't know he still worked with bolas??
“Children of Destiny” was recorded and mixed at Capitol Studios, Hollywood, CA, and produced by The Volume Dealers: Neil Young and Niko Bolas. Young, along with Promise Of The Real, and a 56 piece orchestra - 62 musicians in all – played together on the final piece. Al Schmitt recorded and mixed, while strings were arranged, orchestrated, conducted and co-produced by Chris Walden.
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 July 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
I misread that as "62 musicians in jail," which I thought would be a novel approach.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
haha
for all of those wishing neil would mix the choral arrangements of living with war with the lyrical approach of the monsanto years and the overblown string arrangements of storytone.....you're welcome?
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 July 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
yikes.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 3 July 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link