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''What's so difficult about being civil to each other?''

I didn't think I was being vicious. I was actually trying to discuss some of the things around the music that was being described. why was [x] song the 'angriest' what made it angry in the first place. Sure, I didn't hear the music but there is the music and then there is the 'matter' that surrounds it. and i have heard radiohead...

also, are there a set of chords which make music mournful and why do they keep doing it over and over...

I was honestly curious about some of these descriptions and just trying to get some discussion but I think the way i put things in a bad way and i accept that.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Melissa..thanks for the descriptions.. I appreciate them..and thought them insightful....

Julio- I wish the fleas of a 1000 reindeer nestle in your genitals

that is all.

insectifly, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

A comment on Kate's comment -- if they're playing the songs live to a paying audience, then I would no longer call the songs "works in progress." If people are paying money to hear them they better be done, I say.

I appreciated your descriptions, Mel. It's helpful because I know a little about your taste & have seen some of your writing so I have an idea where you're coming from. Where would you place these new songs in the context of the last three albums? Is there a place where they "fit," in terms of production, mood, etc?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

what's so difficult about being civil to each other


Yeah I wonder!!!!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Most fit rather well with the jazzier excursions on Amnesiac. They're a bit more full-blooded, though. The songs I don't really like harken back to The Bends a bit more. Some of the songs do seem the slightest bit too straightforward. And they are definitely works in progress. Some literally changed from night to night. I hope they spice up some of the songs with unusual production/arrangements.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

At any rate, it was really nice to hear your descriptions Melissa.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

the new stuff seems to be a consolidation of all the post pablo honey stuff, although i can't really make firm comparisons between it and any of the old stuff. There's a warmth in the new material that's been lacking from their previous work. They seem to be in a much happier place just now. It's if they've been afraid of relaxing before in fear of it all collapsing, now they've to and it shows positively in the music.

Leigh, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio's not the only Radiohead hater here. But otherwise I'll keep my mouth shut.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

oops, looks like i haven't been paying enough attention to what i'm posting, my last sentence should have read 'now they've learned how to' - doh!

Leigh, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks, Nicole. :)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Apart from the few songs which verge on Pablo Honey-esque rockers, they feel like a straightforward progression (or refinement or something) from Kid A/Amnesiac. The band's claim of less computers/less studio trickery will be impossible to verify until the album is out -- the Kid A songs live featured reasonably standard arrangements.

Lyrically it's the same ground as the previous two; oblique, cryptic phrases, dealing with some vague non-specific dread. You know.

Clive, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

They're recording it in L.A...who knows, it could come out sounding like the Eagles or CSNY.

Leigh, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

We can but hope.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Julio- I wish the fleas of a 1000 reindeer nestle in your genitals

that is all.''

heh. forget about being nice and civil for now. Posting under our own names would be a start...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for posting the song descriptions, Melissa. I'd try to download them, but the album versions of the _Kid A_ songs were so different from the preview versions I heard that I don't feel like bothering.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

"heh. forget about being nice and civil for now. Posting under our own names would be a start..."

uh this is my real name.. as much of one as you need to know- would posting 'Paul' be any more informative?.. and it was all in fun really... well, mostly at least.

insectifly, Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Please God spare us from another real name/psuedonym debate...)

deX! (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Too late. (And to Melissa = yay. I enjoyed your takes very much -- and Leigh's too! :-) )

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Melissa, did u request candle in the wind?

naked as sin, Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mel descriptions = good. Tempting me to download unreleased songs = bad. Julio = obviously pulling mel's internet pigtails because he is in lurve.

b=n=w (bnw), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Julio = obviously pulling mel's internet pigtails because he is in lurve.''

that would be 'indie' love then (lurve is too 'black' and therefore not allowed heh). Indie love= I slap her but I do not tell I'm in love with her (because i do not know how).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does this mean I won't be able to set up that "Who's the biggest wanker on ILM?" thread I'd been planning? Curse these new rules!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 22 August 2002 21:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Melissa, did u request candle in the wind?

As far as my friends and I can determine, this request came from a girl that we refer to as "asscrack girl". Her real name has yet to be determined.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 22 August 2002 22:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

that is to say her face looks like an asscrack or...?

naked as sin, Thursday, 22 August 2002 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, her face was remarkably moose-like. But, every night, she wore ill-fitting jeans that exposed her to the world.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 22 August 2002 23:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Does this mean I won't be able to set up that "Who's the biggest wanker on ILM?" thread I'd been planning? Curse these new rules!''

if you did such thing I might actually come out on top after yesterday. Though ppl don't like doomie I think.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 23 August 2002 07:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

But, every night, she wore ill-fitting jeans that exposed her to the world.

Melissa's been hanging with J-Lo, kewl.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 23 August 2002 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes she has been 'influenced' by J-Lo.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 23 August 2002 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

90

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 23 August 2002 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Go To Sleep" actually sounds a bit like it could have been on Murray Street.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 01:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

i really don't appreciate the 'delete ILM' stuff

ron (ron), Saturday, 24 August 2002 02:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham - ILM and ILX worked as well as they did because it was an open secret that we couldn't ban people, and so the community mostly moderated itself, i.e. everyone would call Julio (or whoever) an asshole and he would say sorry. By having 'cops' with actual power (rather than rarely deleting threads) that gets lost (i.e. people think why should I say anything, I'm not a moderator) AND it lets people play the big rebel man by going on about nanny states etc etc. (i.e. it gives them a censorship straw-man to argue about rather than making them defend themselves).

In other words what I'm asking is please don't threaten to delete anything, and please don't delete anything either unless it falls into the (pretty tight) guidelines you know about as a moderator. People should be civil on web boards because they want to be not because they're told to be.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 24 August 2002 08:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh yeah FWIW I agree that Julio was being an arsehole and that if Mel felt hurt by it it's his fault not hers. And FWIW I agree with Jody Beth about the songs - Radiohead are interesting cos of what they do to their songs, more than because of the songs themselves.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 24 August 2002 08:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Radiohead are interesting cos of what they do to their songs, more than because of the songs themselves.

I actually sort of agree, though I do think that the songs themselves are good too.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 08:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

ilm is way better than ile

david h (david h), Saturday, 24 August 2002 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

(is that yr real e-mail address melissa?)

david h (david h), Saturday, 24 August 2002 09:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

(yes)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 09:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

99

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 09:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, yes, it was an empty threat as I haven't programmed any mechanism for blocking people, and blocking by IP etc isn't very effective anyway as Julios' clash with a couple of prominent posters. I still hate this place.

Graham (graham), Saturday, 24 August 2002 09:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

''By having 'cops' with actual power (rather than rarely deleting threads) that gets lost (i.e. people think why should I say anything, I'm not a moderator) AND it lets people play the big rebel man by going on about nanny states etc etc. (i.e. it gives them a censorship straw-man to argue about rather than making them defend themselves).''

well, the nanny state thing was a joke but it's what Graham's threat to ban me deserved (I did keep quiet for quite a while, its when ppl started commenting on the fact that he threatened to delete ILM that I thought i should say something).

I still made an attempt to defend myself.

''Oh yeah FWIW I agree that Julio was being an arsehole and that if Mel felt hurt by it it's his fault not hers.''

Whatever I say I have to take full responsibility for. I was an arsehole for the way I put things, I should have just made a couple of general comments and asked a question and left it at that. If i had to turn the clock back I would have still asked it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 August 2002 11:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I still hate this place.

Fair enough! Which is exactly why you should leave the generally thankless work of moderating it to other people :)

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 24 August 2002 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

How happy I would be if all these posts were actually about Radiohead (with positive and negative comments both).

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was supposed to be a hint.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

What is Johnny's hair like now Mel? Sorry, this is the only Radiohead related question that springs to mind right now...

Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 24 August 2002 13:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

In some ways it's hard for me to think of Radiohead as a band, it's almost more like they're a collection of individuals who make these weird combinations on stage then go home. Which is something I approve of! Less band ethos, more stilted interaction!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 August 2002 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

''In some ways it's hard for me to think of Radiohead as a band''

I think of them as a band, just not a very good one.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 August 2002 13:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nicole: here

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

In some ways it's hard for me to think of Radiohead as a band, it's almost more like they're a collection of individuals who make these weird combinations on stage then go home. Which is something I approve of! Less band ethos, more stilted interaction!

They really do cease to be "Radiohead" the moment they get offstage.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 24 August 2002 14:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Go To Sleep" actually sounds a bit like it could have been on Murray Street.

What do you mean by this? Are Thom Yorke and Jonny Greenwood playing against each other on guitars in alternate tunings? Whacking at their strings with screwdrivers? Or is it something in the singing? It sounds interesting.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 24 August 2002 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

or is Jim sauter and dietrich providing squealing saxophones as they do on Murray street?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 August 2002 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link


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