Simon & Garfunkel - Classic or Dud?

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I'm just sayin--Art's contribution was as a talented sideman, not a collaborator.

The snare drum part on the intro of "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover" is easily one of the three or four best drum performances ever recorded. I am a drummer and I am telling you that it is utterly, indisputably perfect. But would you call the group that recorded that song "Simon & Gadd"? No.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 May 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Spotty, at best. I think this thread should've been a s/d.

Simon solo piques me more.

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 9 May 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Pressed in organdy
Clothed in crinoline
Of smoky burgundy

I love those lyrics!

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 May 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that song! The "how I love you" part at the end turns me to mush.

POX (off the top of my head)

America
For Emily, Whenever I May Find Her
Hazy Shade Of Winter
Patterns
Scarborough Fair/Canticle
Faking It
Mrs Robinson
Seven O'Clock News (Silent Night)
The Dangling Conversation

Albums

1. Parsley, Sage Rosemary and Thyme*
2. Bookends
3. Sounds of Silence
4. Bridge Over Troubled Water
5. Wednesday Morning, 3AM
6. The Graduate OST

*Wins over Bookends because of the hilariously over-earnest sleevenotes.

Ben Dot (1977), Monday, 9 May 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Simon & Garfunkel...just the thought of stamping DUD on those great lyrics & Arty G's beautiful voice, man, your heart would have to be a shrivelled piece of coal to live with yourself for that. Okay so I'm exaggerating but I grew up with the 'Live At Central Park' double album, my Mum loved them, and I have nothing but good feelings when I hear their music.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

somebody upthread mentioned that Garfunkel kills Simon in the acting dept. S/he forgot to mention Catch 22, in which Artie holds his own with Orson Welles, Alan Arkin, Martin Sheen... Is Garfunkel the best acting rockstar ever?

dl, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

All you Garfunkel hataz should read this

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i listened to bridge over troubled water for the first time in a while ... so classic!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 12 May 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm starting to prefer Simon solo to S&G.

i think his first solo record is the best, most coherent/satisfying thing he's done (though there are some songs on the second solo album that are incredible). but there sure are some awesome s&g songs, even if they all have a few lyrics and/or clipped diction that make me cringe. ("seeking out the poor-er quarters..." egads).

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 12 May 2005 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
been listening a lot - rather inexplicably (must be chronic AM depression) - of the "Collected Works" lately. Its frustrating how many truly great songs there are, all sorts of bizarre production idiosyncrasies, etc. and then they're pushed right up against some of the clumsiest, cringe-inducing crap ever. "How I Was Robert McNamara'd Into Submission"? ewwwww. "59th Street Bridge Song"? blech. and yet, the second half of the "Bookends" LP is completely perfect. at the same time, I can't remove my general affection for them from my childhood nostalgia for my mom's S&G obsession... they're such the quintessential "safe" baby-boomer act, and yet their appeal seems to occupy some strange space that is not rock, folk, or pop, its off in its own little world.

Also, why was S&G never mentioned as a massive "influence" on Belle and Sebastian?? It seems so glaringly obvious.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Apparently I'm going through a fairly cyclical S&G phase.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

classic, of course!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 12 June 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Great song-writing, great harmony.

Classic.

shorty (shorty), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I still can't get over how bad some of the sanctimonious stuff is - "The Great Big Green Pleasure Machine", that Silent Night/Holy Night + evening news thing, pretty much all the hymns, "The Dangling Conversation"... ugh, so frustrating.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud. Paul Simon gradually started to purge his penchant for bad poetry when he went solo.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. And 59th Street Bridge Song is great.

Steve Schneeberg (Steve Goldberg), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

None more classic.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud.

But Graceland is really good.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

god, I hadn't heard "Mrs. Robinson" in ages. So good.

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 19 November 2007 08:23 (sixteen years ago) link

spent many a car journey in my childhood listening to S&G so i have a nostalgic bias. But their best work still holds up very well in my opinion - so definite CLASSIC!

sam500, Monday, 19 November 2007 08:34 (sixteen years ago) link

simon: classic
garfunkel: dud

abanana, Monday, 19 November 2007 10:39 (sixteen years ago) link

super mega classic.

wanko ergo sum, Monday, 19 November 2007 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I command everybody to listen to the Aretha Franklin version of Bridge Over Troubled Water right now this minute, and never listen to the original again.

ecuador_with_a_c, Monday, 19 November 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

FUCK U IF YOU DON'T THINK CLASSIC

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 January 2010 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

lye la lye
*PUNCH*
lye la lye lye (*PUNCH*) lye lye lye
lye la lye
*PUNCH*
lye la lye lye (*PUNCH*) la la lye lye lye

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Saturday, 26 May 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link

it looks like a knitting pattern written out like that

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Saturday, 26 May 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link

Bookends is classic.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 26 May 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

Funny story about how that *PUNCH* was recorded

Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 May 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link

Which has already been posted here Studio Stories although not the part about the security guard.

Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 May 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link

I refuse to believe it is anything but the sound of a boxer punching someone.

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Sunday, 27 May 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link

preferring paul simon solo to S&G seems completely insane to me, sort've on the level of preferring mccartney solo to the beatles -- i mean, mccartney solo is often pretty great, but c'mon!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 28 May 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

How I woul;d rank these
1. beatles
2. paul mccartney solo
3. s&g
4. the song where a rabbit dies in Watreship Down
5. paul simon solo

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

6. *PUNCH*

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

4. the song where a rabbit dies in Watreship Down

Isn't that the only solo Garfunkel song anyone likes?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link

cool cool watre

buzza, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:05 (eleven years ago) link

Do you remember the scene in "Jack Nicholson is OCD GRouch" when he has made all these mix CDs to impress Helen Hunt, and when he notices Helen Hunt does not like his OCD mix CDs, it is playing an Art Garfunkel cover of a boring standard?

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:06 (eleven years ago) link

Should have gone with the dying rabbit!

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:06 (eleven years ago) link

hey abbott SPOILER ALERT much??

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link

j/k i have heard enough about 'watership down' that i assume it just consists of rabbits exploding and nothing else

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link

preferring paul simon solo to S&G seems completely insane to me, sort've on the level of preferring mccartney solo to the beatles -- i mean, mccartney solo is often pretty great, but c'mon!

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, May 28, 2012 11:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I tend to listen to Paul McCartney solo (or John Lennon or George Harrison solo, even) more than The Beatles, these days. But that's because I've listened to all of those Beatles songs hundreds upon thousands of times and I'm quite bored of them, whereas I haven't quite exhausted 30+ albums of solo material yet.

Anyway: S&G? Classic, without a doubt.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link

j/k i have heard enough about 'watership down' that i assume it just consists of rabbits exploding and nothing else

In addition to rabbit angst, rabbit gore, rabbit eschatology, and rabbit language, there is also a corvid with a comedy Eastern European accent

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

In rabbit eschatology, Art Garfunkel figures as Frithrah, the black sun who singes the world with an Eb5 falsetto note

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link

preferring paul simon solo to S&G seems completely insane to me, sort've on the level of preferring mccartney solo to the beatles -- i mean, mccartney solo is often pretty great, but c'mon!

this itself is an insane point! It's easy for me to hear that Paul Simon wrote better songs solo.

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:58 (eleven years ago) link

whereas as much as I like a lot of solo Macca it quite often wasn't the case.

go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:59 (eleven years ago) link

yeah it's not a good analogy

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link

it's a fine analogy, it's just that Paul McCartney sucks and Paul Simon doesn't

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

In the clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade
and he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down
or cut him 'til he cried out in his anger and his shame
I am leaving, I am leaving
but the fighter still remains.

Somebody posted these lyrics to facebook, and I didn't know what they were and immediately thought they were the perfect example of bathos. Just felt vindicated when I realized they were Simon & Garfunkel.

PJ. Turquoise dealer. Chatroulette addict. Andersonville. (Hurting 2), Monday, 29 July 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link

but I agree with above, Paul Simon solo is better.

PJ. Turquoise dealer. Chatroulette addict. Andersonville. (Hurting 2), Monday, 29 July 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link

I wrote up a quick thought about the worst Simon & Garfunkel tune today, the abominable and unreleased "Cuba Si, Nixon No"

http://heystacks.tumblr.com/post/56781841001/simon-garfunkel-cuba-si-nixon-no-back-to

EZ Snappin, Monday, 29 July 2013 14:04 (ten years ago) link

I actually kind of like it, but I'm dumb.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 29 July 2013 14:10 (ten years ago) link


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