marquee moon by Television

This is neither here nor there; but in the context of Television, I for one always liked Lloyd's soloing more than Verlaine's. (And felt vindicated after hearing him hold his own with Robert Quine on those early '90s Matthew Sweet records.)

But yeah, those remarks up there: wtf?

I've read a few reports on Lloyd's recent east coast tour -- sounds like he's doing some sort of weird performance art thing, with chanting in aramaic, berating audience members and multiple Jimi Hendrix covers. While I love the guy in Television, I've never been able to get into his solo stuff ... But anyway, this all seems a bit odd. I interviewed the guy a few years back (when those Rhino reissues came out) and he seemed like a pretty regular guy and was (rightfully) proud of his work in Television. But now his Web site is filled with weird pseudo-mystical rants and writings -- it's hard to tell whether it's all an elaborate pu-on or utterly sincere.

Another of his announcements, from last month:

After the possible Summer stage show in New York City on June 16, which is to be announced by the city of New York on May 15, Richard Lloyd will, after 34 years, be amicably severing all ties with the band Television, in order that he may concentrate his magnetic force and supernatural energies upon his own career in support of his forthcoming record, due out in the fall. This new record directly competes with Marquee Moon, Axis: Bold as Love, The Doors, Patti Smith's Horses, Bob Marley's Natty Dread, Neil Young's Harvest, or any other record you can name, as one of the greatest records ever made in the history of rock 'n roll. That being so, Richard needs to concentrate all of his energies to support it and its subsidiary philosophies.

so this show if it happens is gonna be a fiasco?

and then there's this interview:
http://www.rocktownhall.com/blogs/index.php?p=566&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more5
he's gotta be at least sort of kidding. right?

Please refrain from mentioning the name of my forthcoming record. Please do not mention the phrase. This will assist me in my well thought about promotional campaign.

^^^ i like this very much

so this show if it happens is gonna be a fiasco?

Actually, not quite. If it happens at all I imagine they'll draft in Jimmy Rip to play 2nd guitar. He's been solo-act Tom Verlaine's 2nd guitarist live and on most records for over 20 years, and he knows most of the TV songs from live sets. He's a great foil for Tom, but not at all in the same style as Lloyd. Rip is more of an atmospheric scene-painter for Verlaine's foreground action. They have great chemistry on stage together.

But there will be serious umbrage if a Television concert happens with Rip instead of LLoyd, that's for sure. Don't see how else it can go through, though, and I don't imagine it's easy to reschedule a free Central Park gig.

verlaine should hire j. mascis.

that interview is crazee

"The original LP had 09:58, i believe (off the top of my head)...."

Wow Mark, you remember the duration of individual tracks on favourite LP's? I bow down in humble admiration at the feet of true music-obsessive greatness!

Ha, just cause I looked longingly at that "Marquee Moon" 12" single for so long, back in the day. It was one of the first 12" singles made, and certainly the first "rock" one that justified its existance for the length of the track!

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/217715.jpg

Look! Here's one!

Lloyd leaving is a bummer…I dunno if I'd wanna see Television it's all skronky Verlainisms and no Lloyd hot licks: the contrast on MM is Lloyd solo at 2:58; Verlainisms at 4:51…Lloyd does ALL the heavy lifting…

Ack. I was planning on going to the show this Saturday. Lloyd, despite his apparent delusions of grandeur, is my favorite part of that band. Someone please tell me he'll be there.

I'm going no matter what.

How much ahead of time do you usually have to show up for Summerstage shows in order to get a decent patch of ground?

Can't help you, haven't ever been to one. Maybe some of these enlightened ILM folks can be more helpful.

was in a shop where they were playing it last week. Have been unable to remove it from my turntable since. I just love guitars with that clean sound that cross each other rhythmically.

I played it last week (the new remaster with the 'alt mixes' added)

I have revised my opinion of "Torn Curtain", it's fine but the fade out is about 2 mins too long (or so it seems)...

The Radiant Monkey.

oops.

A 12-year old looking Tom Verlaine and his black beret playing Marquee Moon in 1985: not the best version ever, but still good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFn8NUicY4

still not tired of this song

ditto

those arpeggiated dueling guitars in the bridge are the meaning of life imo

that live version is pretty sick

yeah the 80s versions of marquee are off the hook

i've always loved "torn curtain". it's so ott, like a melodramatic showtune or something. the way the guitar is just practically screaming at the end

tempting (un poco)

hee hee! would buy if it was the spanish language version. sobre de la marquesina lunaaaa ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS27RAXhBWQ

misspelled bryan uno's name there.

wow that's a lot more velvetsy

WEIRD. The timing of the doodle-oodle-oodle-oo guitar licks is completely different.
Also, I didn't know the Eno mixes were kicking around.
Also, this sounds lousy in comparison! Very interesting.
Also, 7 years late, but the connection between Felt and Television is spelled out on Felt's song "Mobile Shack" off "Me and a Monkey on the Moon":

Working in a shop is a dead end job
I left after eight weeks, it was just as well
'Cause coming up behind me like a high speed train
Was the new york city new wave, Verlaine/Hell

I was born in the back of a mobile shack
And my mother said to me son: "Play guitar"

the demos were done w/ richard hell, and he just was not the right bass player for television. it's amazing how much they improved once fred smith was in the band. i like the hell-era recordings, but they're a different kinda thing. always funny to me that the bnd claimed that doodle oodle oo riff was inspired by the horn lick on james brown's "i feel good." also that they thought they could get away w/ splitting up "little johnny jewel" on a seven inch because james brown did that all the time. james brown -- television's secret influence!

sort of crazy that in a world with dozens of shitty sounding stooges recordings released officially they've never put the eno demos out.

now that's the straight up legit truth. also, at the end of the day, richard hell = meh.

whosoever wants the eno demos: http://ow.ly/5L6xd
(that's the classic double exposure bootleg, it's got the eno demos + other odds n ends)

whoah. thanks, tyler!

no prob (just grabbed the link from another blog). i remember wanting that bootleg SO BAD back in the days before the internet made it all available. i saw it once in NYC but could not afford it and felt like dying. memories.

the drumming is a lot more james brown/can-esque on that version too.

http://www.crawdaddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/3313marqueemoon.jpg
just got this in the mail -- haven't really gotten too far, but the author seems to know what he's talking about.

You can imagine how *I* felt on finding a Double Exposure album for not stupid money....

i think this is the first time i've ever actually played this album. right now. i went outside for a cigarette during "marquee moon" though. it's still going. i never had a copy. someone brought in the 4 men with beards reissue. reissue is kinda noisy.

still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better. i mean, i've probably heard all these songs at some point in my life. i only really like three songs by them. (friction, mm, ljj)

Scott, try to hear the Live At The Old Waldorf LP which Rhino Handmade put out, it's shit-hot like the ROIR but good radio broadcast sound.

I never liked Television much until I heard the Brian Eno demo bootleg versions of a few of the songs from Marquee Moon. Richard Hell on bass, much more raw energy, only reaffirms for me the fact that the album sounds kind of flat.

Skot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjEFuUNc3Uc&feature=related

Scott, do you not like Foxhole?

xp this is known as the Enoic Challops iirc

Someone Find that TOTP appearance!

enoic challops indeed. those eno demos are good but imo nowhere near the grandeur of marquee moon.
gonna be posting a collection of hell-era television recordings on my blog soon. what should i call it? The Hell Year? Hellevision? Season In Hell?

I guess it comes down to Whichever version you heard first.