Billy Joel C/D?

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Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

That is even better than I hoped it would be.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre700/e712/e71248fpzf2.jpg

Naming your greatest hits collection, which was only ever released as a single package, Greatest Hits, Vols. 1 & 2 - Classic or Dud?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Costello is the English Joel. I've just never gotten anywhere near this devotion people have for that lonesome, lonesome man.

Lonesome, lonesome men always inspire devotion, silly.

Mr.Diamond will be glad to know that since the first message of his that caught my attention was him posting several of his album covers in the smuggest covers ever thread, my mental image of him is Elvis Costello.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ack!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I will gladly call Billy Joel a classic if that means that I get to make him pull his scrotum over his head while nuns kick his shins.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't know why I and almost everything else hate him so much. His tunefulness was non-stop throughout the 70s and 80s; and his performance style was *aha! light goes on*. Is it his blah-to-icky singing style that makes him worse than he should be? He even looks awful; bad hair, bulgy, baggy eyes. Ok, I'm kidding a little about his looks. But even his very best moments I'd never want to hear of my own free will. It's too easy to say 'I just don't like him'... but I can't really put my finger on it. It's also weird albeit amusing to hear him say he hates most of his own stuff.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I and almost everyONE else I meant...

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

TOTALLY CLASSIC IN AN I-DON'T-CARE WAY AND EVERYTHING.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm going to comment first, before I read all of this thread. I agree with Amateurist on "For the Longest Time."

Until fairly recently, I took a pretty hard line against Billy Joel, but I have to admit that I like some of his songs. I also hate an awful lot of them, certainly more of them than I like. I find his persona a big problem much of the time. I don't trust him, and I'm certainly not interested in his advice. Most of his talen is wasted. "Just the Way You Are" and "Honesty" are two other songs I like. Maybe because I heard it shortly before I transformed into an adolescent music snob, but I think I wouldn't mind hearing 52nd Street occasionally, or at least maybe half of it. I wouldn't want to defend it, but I kind of like "She's Always a Woman."

But the songs that annoy me, annoy me overwhelmingly and unequivocally.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

He's made more good songs than the Cure, anyway.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 17 April 2003 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps in a parallel universe, RS.

Good Billy Joel songs: "Allentown"

Good Cure songs: all of them except "Push", "A Thousand Hours", "Closedown", "Return" and "Mint Car"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Disintegration revealed to be imperfect!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 18 April 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually both Robert Smith and Billy Joel share an overbearing and seemingly unvaried vocal shtick that makes me like pretty good songs less than I might.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 01:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do not listen to the scoffers, Dan. The holy truth and flame shall be kept and cared for by you and I.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 01:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

ALLENTOWN?!

Anyway, yes, the song about the high school sweethearts is Scenes From An Italian Restaurant, which is a great song for the bizarre oopmah music middle bit about his sweet romantic teenage nights. The fast part is reminiscent of certain Ben Folds songs, take as you will.

The best Billy Joel song is Only The Good Die Young.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 02:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I will gladly call Billy Joel a classic if that means that I get to make him pull his scrotum over his head while nuns kick his shins.
Um, I hate to tell you this, but thats his idea of a good time. Christy Brinkley left him when he came to the bedroom smeared with canola oil, wrapped in saran wrap and "demanded the rootabaga"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 April 2003 11:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Disintegration revealed to be imperfect!

Strange but true!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

The best Billy Joel song is Only The Good Die Young

See now, I consider this song to be full of threatening spite and anger. A perfect example of why Joel really rubs me the wrong way. On the surface is this snappin' beat, but closer examination reveals a real sinister meanness.

I mean look at these lyrics:

"The demon in your mind will rape you in your bed at night?"
"The moon is red and bleeding?"
"All the evil seem to live forever?"
"Only the good die young?"

waitaminit, that's iron maiden... here we go:

"don't let me wait"
"locked you away"
"Only the good die young"
"I run with a dangerous crowd"
"Only the good die young"
"You didn't count on me"
"they say there's a heaven"
"Some say it's better but I say it ain't"
"The sinners are much more fun"
"Don't let me wait"

I mean, it's this threat, really, couched in this kind of Greaser back-story vernacular. Liek West Side Story, on via some long-island wino. Like "Uptown Girl," which for me is the most henious of his songs.

Obviously, I have little bit of a complex with this. And I'm intentionally going over the top. But even "Always A Woman" makes me uncomfortable now, that stereotypically "fragile" song about women "changing their minds," gives me the chills just thinking about it.

david day (winslow), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Uptown Girl" is totally misogynist but you can read that as part of the Four Seasons homage--it wouldn't have seemed so out of place in the early '60s. Anyway it's a really catchy song and the arrangement doesn't have a bit of slack so many other Joel songs (oh, sorry, BJ songs).

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Always A Woman" is misogyny incarnate, really. He seems to think this girl is really evil, bad, poisonous. "She'll carelessly cut you and laugh while you're bleedin'." Well Jesus, Billy, why don't you stay away from this horrible bitch? Because she's a woman. You know, you can't expect much better from women.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bob Dylan to thread.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Heh. Yeah. But I'll forgive Bob for it, because he often turns the same gun on himself.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hold that thought.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Captain Jack" rocks! DJ Sammy should cover it. Or ARE Weapons.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

fuck this Billy Joel shit. I can't belive Dan doesn't like Mint Car. That song is great! WHAT THE HELL???

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Most artist have absolutely terrible moments, and "We Didn't Start The Fire" is Joel's

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sadly, an unberably twee Cure song is still unbearably twee.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

And you know, "She's Always A Woman" isn't the only evil-woman-with-a-knife song he's written - there's also "Stiletto."

I'd have to call Dud on BJ, with the possible exception of "Say Goodbye To Hollywood."

mike a (mike a), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the Cure at their most twee ("The Perfect Girl," "Friday I'm In Love," "Mint Car"), cuz it allows me to forgive their most dour moments.

Three times now "Uptown Girl" has come up on my weekly walking-on-bus-or-at-computer-lab mixtape within five minutes of being on this thread. The power!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its a power for Eeeeevil, though, Anthony. In fact, the only way to make "Uptown Girl" more EEeeeeeevil is for Slayer to do a cover version.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I feel bad that you guys can't cut the poor guy a break when he writes a really good song.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I gave him a break when he wrote that sarcastic song about "how to become a rock star"; He had his chance after that and blew it. He should just give up and go to Vegas, because he is NOT the Balls-out rocker he *thinks* he is.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

That said...who thinks a Slayer cover of "Uptown Girl" would rule, even if only as a novelty tune?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't belive Dan doesn't like Mint Car.

I can. Because I hate the bastard thing too. Take "Just Like Heaven" and "Friday I'm in Love" and squeeze all the joy and/or intriguing angst out of them and leave a limp sucked orange wedge. Then stick it in the trash. Behold! "Mint Car."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the Cure at their most twee ("The Perfect Girl," "Friday I'm In Love," "Mint Car"), cuz it allows me to forgive their most dour moments.

"The Perfect Girl" has that fantastic synth riff plus the ultra-euphoric "I THINK I'M FALLING IN LOVE WITH YOU" part; it's easily the best song on side 4 of _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_.

"Friday I'm In Love" has that killer guitar riff and one the best bridges The Cure ever produced, mixed in with OTM observations about the prosiac magic of love ("It's such a gorgeous sight/To see you eat in the middle of the night").

"Mint Car" has a god-awful rinky-dink guitar riff fluttering around some DEEPLY tenuous screeching that can't even be saved by blatant Daan-pandering in the shape of egregious double entendres (aka the third verse). Also, it's too slow.

"The Lovecats" is still their best twee song, anyway. ("A Chain Of Flowers" might be their best melancholy twee song.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

The other three songs ARE better, but you both have a screw loose. But then again, you both probably own every Cure album (I have over six so I'm a bit nuts myself). People should just stick with "Staring At The Sea" and "Galore." Cure album tracks aren't THAT good.

I believe I should end this post with a Geir-like :)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

You are wise to do that, since your note about Cure album tracks causes Dan and I to cry...and then EXPLODE WITH RAGE. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, except in my case substitute crying for an Alex-in-NYC-sees-a-post-praising-Destiny's-Child spittake.

Cure album tracks kick major ass. BOW BEFORE THE GENIUS OF "World War", "Another Day", "Secrets", "The Figurehead", "Siamese Twins", "Faith", "All Cats Are Grey", "At Night", "Piggy In The Mirror", "Dressing Up", "Shake Dog Shake", "The Top", "Kyoto Song", "The Blood", "The Kiss", "All I Want", "How Beautiful You Are...", "One More Time", "The Snakepit", "Like Cockatoos", "The Perfect Girl", "Last Dance", "The Same Deep Water As You", "Prayers For Rain", "Open", "End", "From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea", "Want", "Treasure", "Bare", "Out Of This World", "The Loudest Song" and "The Last Day Of Summer"!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can definitely give you Perfect Girl and Want.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

You forgot "Six Different Ways".

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

goddammit, what happened to all the Billy Joel hating!? Don't we have enough threads about the fuckign Cure already?

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Apparently not.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

No. We never do.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

does anyone know where i could find "friday i'm in love" on the interweb (and no i don't have soulseek)? i want to hear it like now.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Cure were definitely a great singles band, and I can't even say that about Joel (whose most Cure-like song is probably "Pressure," which is horrible).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

If ILX only hated the Cure half as much as you hate Billy Joel, I'd be so happy.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 18 April 2003 21:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are plenty of Cure-haters around, RS. They just fear to speak up in my presence.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 22:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hi Dan!

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 22:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I CRUSH YOU

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 April 2003 22:25 (twenty-one years ago) link


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