Yeah, as a criticism it definitely sticks and the first 2/3 seasons aren't all that...but beyond that I can watch a lot of it compared to NG.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
voyager has a bunch of fun high-concept episodes but few good character-based ones
― ciderpress, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
Do you count "Bride of Chaotica" as one of the former? Because I watched it recently and was incredibly bored.
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Friday, 21 April 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
the one where everyone is dying from some incurable disease which leads them to find out they're copies of the real voyager and crew
― clouds, Friday, 21 April 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Living Witness is probably the best example of what I mean
― ciderpress, Friday, 21 April 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
I've been thinking more about Voyager (who knows why) and it's not even the Maquis/Starfleet thing that bugs me -- it's that the writing/dialogue is so artificial and dumb which leads to very little on-screen chemistry between the bridge crew. Basically, any non-holographic/ex-Borg character interacting with any other non-holographic/ex-Borg character is bad -- Janeway is probably the worst of the bunch, even though Mulgrew is perfectly fine as an actor!
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
It would probably be more interesting to watch 45 minutes of the actors having lunch in full makeup than any given episode of the series.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
my daughter and I just got to the Space Seed last week, she was so into it
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
Not only were the actors boring, they stayed boring for SEVEN WHOLE SEASONS. That's an almost respectable commitment.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
wtf is this vic fontaine shit? and apparently he becomes a recurring character?
― just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
Vic Fontaine was a bad idea, but the actor/singer playing him is enjoyable, and the episode with him and PTSD Nog is really good, so they kinda manage to salvage that it could've been.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
Apparently he was only added to the show because Ira Steven Behr loves '50s crooner music. And they originally intended to cast Frank Sinatra Jr. for the role!
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link
The holodeck heist episode that takes place in his casino was an enjoyable breather amidst the Dominion war arc too. Really, they managed to make lemonade out of that particular lemon.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Fuck all the haters, Vic is awesome. Best holodeck character in all of ST. For whatever that's worth.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Picard and riker would disagree
https://johnkennethmuir.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/binar2.jpg
― PROFESSOR JIGGLY is loose in the Cat Room (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
It's weird that they never really get into the ethics of a captive holodeck being. Especially with Vic, who remembers his past experiences, etc.
― DJI, Thursday, 11 May 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
TNG "Ship in a Bottle"? and i'm sure Voyager did it with the Doctor at some point though not necessarily well
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 01:10 (six years ago) link
I'll have to look that one (Ship in a Bottle) up.
― DJI, Thursday, 11 May 2017 03:59 (six years ago) link
Ship in a Bottle gets into the ethics of holodeck beings like Triumph of the Will gets into the ethics of fascism.
― ledge, Thursday, 11 May 2017 12:09 (six years ago) link
yeah it's not at all a hard look at it but it plays off the concept
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
Its decent for a TNG ep
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 May 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
Rewatched "Ship in a Bottle" for the poll and was underwhelmed. I think knowing the episode's ONE TRICK THAT WILL SHOCK YOU beforehand drains a lot of the fun from it.
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
OTOH, Voyager's "Blink of an Eye" is fun!
I think knowing the episode's ONE TRICK THAT WILL SHOCK YOU beforehand drains a lot of the fun from it.
haha yes
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
yeah i rewatched it last night after mentioning it in here and i still enjoyed but the ending is certainly more effective if you aren't expecting it
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
Blink of an Eye another good exmaple of the sort of silly high-concept thing that produces the most watchable Voyager eps
― ciderpress, Thursday, 11 May 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
pretty sure Moriarty was lying about being awake while in storage. he was smarter than data, you know!
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 11 May 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
I can't believe this is going to air first before Discovery ever does. Or maybe I can.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-trailer-for-seth-macfarlanes-star-trek-spoof-1795237662
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
ew
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
i'll watch that tripe. over/under on episodes until cancellation?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link
Oh god that's a TV series?? Why couldn't it just be a movie, where we could hold our breaths during its opening weekend and then forget about it afterwards?
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
boo. makes me want to retroactively forget any Family Guy episodes i have watched
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link
I wish Cleveland Show was still around tbh
― Nhex, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 01:41 (six years ago) link
Just watch Galaxy Quest again
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 02:32 (six years ago) link
I'm glad he helped get cosmos mk ii made and that he likes to hire old school film composers but other than that seth mcfarlane completely sucks shit
― fish louse (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
Otm
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link
MacFarlane's smoothness creeps me the fuck out. He's like an unattractive version of Jude Law's sexbot from AI.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
cosmos mark 2 was kind of pointless
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 23:46 (six years ago) link
dude is chummy with patrick stewart, no?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 23:55 (six years ago) link
this is probably anathema on this thread, but is it okay to ask if patrick stewart is a normally intelligent person? he always seems like a genial dope to me, but i am not a fan exactly.
― remy bean, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
An actual trailer, who knew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dxe_ugmIVM
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
new Lady Gaga album cover? cool
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
something about this feels more babylon 5.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
can't watch the discovery trailer (not for canada apparently) but i just watched the orville one, cool to see beverly from larry sanders show in there!
― why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link
fuckin lens flares, really?
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
idk doesn't looks terrible to me
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link
So fucking irritated that this is going to be on their proprietary streaming service. I literally watch NOTHING on CBS.
― DJI, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
May have to dust off my t0rrentz client.
― DJI, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
Looks kind of good. The trailer is paced like a summer movie - I'm assuming the show will be allowed to breathe a bit.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
I remember that he had a reputation for being a prima donna and also he referred to himself in the third person when that was a thing.
― Bashir-Worf Hypothesis (Leee), Thursday, 18 May 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link