At what point did Jimmy Page realize his band was now on a downward arc?

Weird, I remember jpj claiming the opposite - that Gibby was too drunk to perform the vocal on "Alcohol" ("so that was kind of poetic")

hahaha well I for one have a hard time believing Gibby Haynes of the popular straight edge band Butthole Surfers was wasted in the mid 90s, likely story JPJ

obvs any butthole is an unreliable narrator, but the way leary phrased it this was by jpj's own admission, tho also not hard to believe plant/page assholically snubbing the man who made ittod listenable for no quarter

Thought that stood for In Their Time of Dying at first.

Gibby:

When the “Independent Worm Saloon LP” was released in 1993 after Nirvana broke, it was produced by John Paul Jones, how did that work for you guys?

Oh, yeah, he was like a horrible drunk when we were doing that record, but we were loaded too. We spent so much money on that record! We basically spent a fortune to hang out with some guy from Led Zeppelin!

That reminds me of some anecdote I read a long time ago about a band in the late '90s that approached JPJ to do some orchestral arrangements, and he quoted them a fee that was "...equivalent to the combined budgets for the first couple Zep albums..." and the band balked. This was funny because this was a pretty huge band* and probably could have easily afforded it.

*Whom I don't remember...I wanna saw it was the Chili Peps, but didn't Jones work them earlier?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/19/robbie-williams-wins-pool-planning-victory-over-jimmy-page