Haha you're right. I forgot Roseanne ended that way!
Well, this was pretty good I guess. Hannah behaving like a mom to the teenager and then realising that's how she was being was the real end of the show, the final stuff with the cop and Grover was just Lena Dunham closure.
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Monday, April 17, 2017 2:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah the end of Roseanne is one of the weirdest fucking show finales ever and no one ever talks about it! and it was a hugely popular show....
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
i guess it reflects Roseanne's pharmacology at the time
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link
Really awful 'Girls' piece by Elizabeth Wurtzel in the WaPo today. I'll spare everyone the link because you really shouldn't read it.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
"Elizabeth Wurtzel" is warning enough!
I honestly don't get the "unlikeable" critique as a standalone... as if all the major characters on The Sopranos (except i guess Melfi) weren't inescapably unlikeable.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
making sociopaths relatable was one of the Sopranos general strengths/m.o.s
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
HBO: making sociopaths relatable
― who even are those other cats (Eazy), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
haha
you need to pivot to marketing, Eazy
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
i <3 wurtzel ty
― sleepingbag, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
but yeah, Shakey, but only to a point. Just when Tony was on the verge of seeming self-aware and cuddly you were reminded what a homicidal fuck he was.
I haven't seen the last 3 seasons of Girls so i don't know if they've been regularly doing that or not.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
sociopath has to be the most misused words on the internet
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
I agree re: Sopranos Morbz.
re: GIRLS, it's not quite so extreme (nobody's a murderer, for ex.) but it was also not handled as deftly imo. The show, especially in latter seasons, seemed to go out of its way to display characters' loathsomeness w out making them v relatable (imo), so when it came time for the viewer to give a shit about whatever emotional conflict was being foregrounded, it just didn't work.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
was kind of an odd ending to a show. episodes that came before were a lot stronger i felt, though that seems to be a trend in tv now, penultimate episodes of seasons/series being better than finales.
they had hannah being a total nightmare and awful and freaking out about being a mother, then, seemingly inevitably she had that little epiphany out of nowhere, and went home, and was ready to deal with motherhood and could breastfeed all of a sudden.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
i liked the ending a lot. it invalidated everything we saw thus far. your 20s are fucking drama and full of idiots and then you grow up and move on and they are gone except the one friend you hate and all that drama was for nothing. p good stuff.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
haha yes that was my takeaway too
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
xp lol otm
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
unless you're a ridiculous gaybot like Elijah, who will probably go on like that til he's 60 or we all get nuked.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
Michael Sicinski @msicismSo take note: you're a narcissistic child until you have a baby. A trajectory even Dunham's right-wing haters could love.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
she's STILL a narcissistic child at the end!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
29 is much too young to stop being a narcissistic asshole anyway
i think i only fully became not an asshole around 34 - that might even be pushing it
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:54 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
she has her epiphany at the end and then goes home to stoically and competently take care of her baby.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
yah there wasn't much evolution or growing.. they were all still the same shitheads. hannah's mom basically said "it doesn't get better." the only conceit was you lose your friends eventually. she didn't have an epiphany in the except "i finally bonded with my baby and that's more important than all my shithead friends that didn't actually matter." (just all my take away idk)
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
i figured esp given her background she was suffering to some degree of postpartum depression, which is no joke
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:08 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sociopath doesn't mean "self centered" or "asshole" or "jerk a lot of the time"
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link
I never said any of the GIRLS characters were sociopaths. If you want to argue about the Sopranos characters, that's a different story.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
it wasn't really played as post-partum depression though, the problem was characterized as her being...exactly the same as before.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
They mentioned post partum depression as being a factor in the "inside this episode" bit after the show
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
The teenager she ran into reminded me of Louis C.K.'s petulant/entitled voice.
xp I can't watch those, they make me question any enjoyment I got out of what I just watched
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:56 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
totally disagree the handwringing over the breastfeeding and the "my baby hates me" stuff seemed to be pretty squarely conveying that
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
seemed more like post-partum frustration? i don't have kids though, so what do i know.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
I definitely skipped that article about bottle-feeders who are upset.
I didn't particularly love the episode or the ending of the series for various reasons...
but I watched it next to my wife who was breastfeeding at that moment, so a lot of it hit home.
Like, on one hand all that handwringing and that 'my baby hates me" stuff is like. pretty par for the course even without going as far as being described as post-partum depression. I'm not sure where that line is drawn between your totally expected freakouts about being a new parent and what is "officially" ppd and I'm not sure how important that is, but for that reason I didn't need the creators to discuss ppd to understand that she's under a particular stress and perhaps acting in an extreme version of who she always has been due to it.
But the complaint online about bottle-feeding, I mean, everything in that episode is 100% accurate about that stuff and totally fair and I can't believe any parent would be pissed off. Every single study shows benefits to breast feeding...and every single parent probably comes to terms with the fact that it's hard work and may not be doable and even if it's not, your kid can still turn out ok so you just do whatever works.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
I agree the show was pretty accurate, but the dialogue ("hey, this formula stuff is ok after all!") was like PSA-level risible.
I get the online bottle-feeding complaints - unfortunately. I used to work for a breasfeeding org, and there is more chance of resolving israel/palestine than the breast vs. formula people.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 22:07 (seven years ago) link
how did "fast car" become so ubiquitous? there was also a period in the early 00s when indie/avant garde artists embraced it and covered it (Xiu Xiu and Jim O'Rourke).
― flappy bird, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
I wanted to slap the shit out of Marnie during that part. Actually, during most parts.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 April 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vScKQ4gexwk
― dan selzer, Monday, 24 April 2017 21:33 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkl_Vq1SWKg
― dan selzer, Monday, 24 April 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
Fast Car became ubiquitous when it was released and was a huge hit on MTV and radio and was a top ten hit on the Billboard charts
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
I know. I was asking how it became so ubiquitous with avant garde artists doing totally out there versions of it. Tho tbh I can only think of.... 3 off the top of my head. Sorry this is a weird thread to post this in. I hope Lena runs in 2020.
― flappy bird, Friday, 11 August 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
So...Lenny Dykstra
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 September 2017 03:48 (six years ago) link
he's been on fire ever since his interviews on Howard last year
― flappy bird, Sunday, 10 September 2017 04:46 (six years ago) link
"American Bitch" (with the novelist creep) is a great episode. I can only remember two other episodes that I thought were that good (granted, I've skipped around a lot) - the early one where Hannah sleeps with an older guy in a nice townhome and imagines a bourgeois life, the one from season 4 or 5 where Marnie hooks up with her ex. Makes me wonder about an alternate show without the standard wacky comic touches and the rest of the cast.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 29 September 2017 04:55 (six years ago) link
Yep, feel the same between "American Bitch" and "One Man's Trash." No subplots or minor characters, just a single extended story.
― Eazy, Friday, 29 September 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
all three of those episodes were unique in the Girls universe as one off stories instead of part of the larger narrative. Where there others?
― dan selzer, Friday, 29 September 2017 12:40 (six years ago) link
Lena Dunham and Jenni Konner defend 'Girls' writer amid sexual assault claim: "We stand by Murray" https://t.co/46J9Aa7SOA pic.twitter.com/cLNMpPzIwV— Hollywood Reporter (@THR) November 18, 2017
― flappy bird, Saturday, 18 November 2017 07:15 (six years ago) link
I finally watched the last 2 seasons of this, away from any hype/expectations. I really enjoy this show, kind of in the way I like Peep Show - the characters say depressingly funny things that touch a nerve and neatly encapsulate the type of annoying person they are, and it handles 'friendship with people you kind of hate' really well, but I don't care about the storylines particularly or how DRAMATIC Jessa/Adam's relationship is. The final dialogue with Jessa and Hannah calling it even was very reminiscent of the end of Peep Show. I guess I don't mind that the characters are flawed (awful) except when they continue to do things that are so stupid it's stretching any credibility (Hannah on that road trip, Mark with the vanity publishing etc)
The pregnancy ending throughout the final season had me rolling my eyes so hard because it's the equivalent of ending with a big wedding or w/ever but actually the final episode being about pressures and difficulties of breastfeeding and anxiety about everything making you act like a nightmare and wondering what on earth you've done (totally normal ime), rather than the actual birth, was refreshing. Maybe less so if you haven't been there.
'American Bitch' was a real highlight. In general Desi/Marnie had me laughing quite a lot but Marnie on her own was toooooo much.
― kinder, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link
I guess I don't mind that the characters are flawed (awful) except when they continue to do things that are so stupid it's stretching any credibility
this embodies so much of why I lost interest in this show. It's not nearly as plausible when they keep making the same mistakes for the 9th, 10th, 11th times
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 29 June 2018 02:12 (five years ago) link
Like Nurse Jackie, it felt realistic that they kept making the same mistakes, but I was still less and less compelled to watch them making them.
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 29 June 2018 09:18 (five years ago) link
more like lena dudham
― raspberry swirl (Ross), Friday, 29 June 2018 09:33 (five years ago) link
xp i don't think girls got quite nurse jackie bad but i take your point
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 June 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
no you're right, i watched all of girls but peaced out on nurse jackie a coupla seasons before the end
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Sunday, 1 July 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
If I knew anybody in the screen trade I think they'd be laughing as they throw things at the wall. https://t.co/CCUuLaaczz— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) October 29, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link