the post-helmet database of 90s alt-rock bands copping staccato/modal/minimal riffs

I think post-Helmet in this case refers more to post- in the A&R sense, like "let's promote this band with a Buzz Clip because Headbangers Ball has been playing more Helmet lately."

Uh, two-note riffs were one of the main aesthetic things produced by no wave -- dunno where to begin with the weird conceit of this thread

If you can't tell why Helmet sounds different than DNA I can't help you.

also Morphine and Helmet were contemporaries so calling them "post-Helmet" is uh, a bit "the Beatles are more prevalent than pizza"

Yes, and Prong predates them. Thread is about specific songs/a specific sound

I just think it's weird that you are considering Helmet the "origin" of this, when after a number of posts you realize that Faith No More did it earlier, and were most likely more influential.

Some of this is just de-tuned/grungified minimal riffs that on a formal level, you can trace back to Teenage Jesus and Sonic Youth, for example

I think your understanding of "modal" is up there with your buddy deej's infamous hemiola

Thread is about specific songs/a specific sound

fair enough, but why not just call it "bands that sound like mid-90s helmet" -- maybe add HAHAHAHAHA in all caps after it for old times sake

I think you may be looking for this:

https://youtu.be/ap3L_NCZk4s

Or:

https://youtu.be/624dcA8YY7Q

Or I'm missing the point.

To be fair I got thrown off by Whale

Oh duh

https://youtu.be/wX6H2SjTLUg

fair enough, but why not just call it "bands that sound like mid-90s helmet" -- maybe add HAHAHAHAHA in all caps after it for old times sake

If it would make this a safe space for no wave fans, imagine the thread title as "90s riffs that sound like mid-90s Helmet," sure

"Savory" is a good one

To be fair I got thrown off by Whale

Yeah, "Hobo" and Unsane aren't staccato enough for what I'm going for, but are close enough to hang out in the thread

Soundgarden - My Wave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEbYxEXM2cE

Silverchair - Freak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KHwuOtcALQ

Stone Temple Pilots - Silver Gun Superman (just the intro probs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVZDopspPU

Collective Soulol - Where the River Flows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX57jqetDGA

Everclear - Santa Monica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6E_TNgCsY

Bulls On Parade more fitting than Wind Below Imo

Deftones - Around the Fur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv0rV0N3SrY

Sevendust - Waffle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8dT7oC8qA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAqZb52sgpU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R2Oyq8O2OA

Therapy? - Screamager

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDVsIvvFtcs

If it would make this a safe space for no wave fans,

it's more like being told there's delicious ice cream in the conference room, and then coming in and finding a bunch of grunge bro-core turds

I think of Swans "Like A Drug" as one of the earlier strikes of this sound, and the closest sonic link between Prong and Swans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTIN6RsgLNo

I've never thought of these riffs as modal so much as thrash breakdowns eased into mid-tempo or slower.

I think I'm still kinda unclear on the theme because I was about to post "Possum Kingdom."

― billstevejim, Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:50 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title. This is an interesting mish-mosh of a thread. I hate almost all of the music in it. I feel like Biohazard has a role to play in this, but none of the three songs I checked out on youtube fit the criteria and that's all the time I have to listen to Biohazard today.

I'd never heard that Fishbone before though and it's great.

Helmet definitely had a unique take on that type of staccato power chord riffing, but there definitely was other bands that were also doing a spin on Malcolm Young too. 'Walk' by Pantera is a 90s riff tune that came along same time that has that big ker-chunk that the nu-metal bands did too. I think a big part of why that stuff worked was that the simple rhythm could get a pit to go bonkers. That stuff is all over your moshpart/breakdowns in metal and hardcore.

Oh yeah, of course Pantera.

Pantera - who made a turn toward that chugging style in 1992 - were definitely accused of ripping off Helmet on "Walk."

"Possum Kingdom" is a good one, I never thought of it that way, but yes

I really want to do a DJ set of post-Helmet groove alt metal and post-Onyx yell-rap

Like, if these kids can get rich doing emo night DJ sets, why won't anyone pay me to do judgement night DJ sets

the only green day song i have ever really liked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNq9gmY_Oz4

and i totally love it because i love meantime.

well, the first part anyway. not the punky thing at the end.

this is totally one of my top 20 rock singles of the 90's and its because i love helmet AND bow wow wow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRHPvY3oSXE

they were cute too. the singer and guitarist look like cute britpoppers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M54_GRmyeJM

Pantera - who made a turn toward that chugging style in 1992 - were definitely accused of ripping off Helmet on "Walk."

― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Friday, April 14, 2017 6:25 AM (two hours ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgX-HKXTb-M

Wow, I tooooooootally forgot that Silverchair song. That's exactly what I'm looking for itt

Can Collective Soul too! Thank you Spottie for understanding me.

Deftones song is more like this other proto staccato/modal/minimal alt-metal signpost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXTE5wAtBzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvsQsao1F88

copped the helmet vocal style too

is this isnt shitty post helmet staccato riffing then i duno what is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUBk4XDWTqU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDvo5hDFYBg

this one is more helmetty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdWoeoO0kI

this little way of riffing opened up so much in the 90s and I have no idea how contemporary band like Wrong just wants to do Helmet cosplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiQ5igNwmdY

damn thats really terrible

Always felt that QOTSA were Helmet inspired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88r_q7oufE

(but not 90s, soz)

That Galactic Cowboys "If I Were a Killer" tune also touches another mid 90s sonic thing with the AIC harmony in the chorus. Hadn't heard that one before.

I'm determined to nail this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbXciBKcfQ8

perhaps more pre-Rammstein than post-Helmet

xp "No One Knows" does kinda sound like this Helmet song released 2 years later https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcGYkLbVMhs

wrong is great imo but yeah, helmet cosplay

The Wrong album is really great actually. It's a melodic Meantime for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ace_0UpQ0MI

hahaha holy shit that Smile song, I haven't heard that in like 20 years.

even the lyrics are simple...he's staring at the sun, he realizes he shouldn't have stared so long cos now he can't see at all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI3QmT0TOHs

it gets more traditional Sponge tho by the pre-choruses and verse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRNVrel3ezg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqeT9ooYKnM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tOq25vBkso

Just a remindah that Unrest did it first, better, and with a sense of humor! (my theory is that Wharton Tiers played the Helmet guys the tape, when they came into Fun City to record their first alb):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGm5XZiwQeE

(btw - I'm just kidding about that last part - tho I did mention this point to M4rk once, and he was like, "yeah, huh?")