defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

his point is the point he always has: that liberals are suckers with bad ideas

i guess when you have a dumb point you tend to make dumb arguments to support it

saying a black trump voter had his violent death coming to him is a common sentiment on ilx??

i'm wary of breunig for exactly the same reasons goole is but i still like him. i don't trust that he's always *right* about things and he more or less exists (on twitter at least -- i know he's done some good irl research) to be a troll, but he trolls the right people and he's pretty funny

let the record show that goole also believes April and May are indistinguishable

saying a black trump voter had his violent death coming to him is a common sentiment on ilx??

There aren't enough black people on ILX for that sentiment to be common.

bump

i bet you think he's the editor of the Intercept, fucko

what could've ever given me that idea

http://imgur.com/pHZfEMm.jpg

yeah well you're a stupidhead

seems like an honorific

he just recently insidted he is not the hands-on editor

and i know you read his every tweet, puss

https://media.giphy.com/media/bhyCkEhXAgDw4/giphy.gif

plus it appears Greenwald is skeptical of the veracity of the document at the center of the story.

Journalism requires that document be published and reported. Rationality requires it be read skeptically.

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 5, 2017

if he was involved in the story's publication i think he'd be one of the writers (4 of em) on the byline.

Statement of Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill: pic.twitter.com/HJACKjKjtz

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 13, 2017

glenn greenwald v. rachel maddow ~ fight!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-about-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions/

Whatever, Glenn. The Intercept is still at fault for not covering Reality Winner's tracks well enough that she's in jail right now.

His ability to still burn through 1000 words on something only he cares about and publish the whole thing is truly phenomenal

It's a shame "the left" can't do better than this guy and Freddie DeBoer, if the stuff they claim to care about is really so important - are all editors liberal? Is that the thing?

Maddow said her report should serve as a “heads up” to other news organizations that someone is attempting to destroy the credibility of those who report on Trump’s connections to Russia by purposely giving them false information. She suggested, without stating, that this may have been what caused CNN and other outlets recently to publish reports about Trump and/or Russia that ended up being retracted.

lol so weak.

yeah greenwald sells to his audience maddow sells to hers that is their jobs how any of is this phenomenal

Is the implication she is roosting, or that she is concern trolling? I'm not even clear what his beef is, I should read it, but srsly fuck that it's gg.

From what I could stand to skim, he feels that The Intercept's source for the NSA document has now been revealed as a phony weasel, meaning he fell for some phony bullshit, so he's going ham to suggest that it is unreasonable to suggest that he would ever get played.

I don't think Greenwald was involved in the NSA story.

This one seems to be a relatively straightforward dispute over whether someone who appears to have created a fake NSA document and sent it to Maddow using the Intercept doc as a template did it before or after the Intercept published. If it was after, it could have been anyone, if it was before, the theory goes, it would have to be someone with access - or the result of Intercept getting hacked. It's not necessarily worth 1000 words of anyone's time.

no one actually believes he had no involvement in the NSA story right? like there's no way this guy of all guys had no involvement in a major leak from the NSA published in his zine.

There's this grave air of importance in the writing of that piece, as if it's a really explosive political story. But the whole point is just defending The Intercept themselves from accusations of wrongdoing. And yeah, they seem to be right. But that piece, in that tone, is really only something you write if your head has gotten so far up your own ass that you begin to believe other people see you as the most important person in the world as well.

Also, if it was before, the source could be the same for both.

Gym Teacher Maddow has done a whole fuck of a lot more harm than you Centrists believe GG has

Brought to you by "Telling Pejoritives" revealing yesterday's persistent childhood traumas...today.

Of course, nobody here has argued that the spat between Maddow and Greenwald should be determined by who has done more damage, and that the answer in that case would be Greenwald. But I do think it's important for all of us to recognize that gym teachers are the fucking worst.

no u are

Since when does my fellow American take a dive in this matchup

Is Lee Fang having a breakdown or something?

link

Check his Twitter. He took a tweet from a thread complaining about Bernie Sanders' position on race and said liberals are just like Richard Spencer's. Then said that people who want more minorities in leadership positions are like British and Japanese colonizers. Because voting for Kamala Harris would be like the rape of Nanking all over again, I suppose.

well that was ten minutes completely wasted

I assume he threw his phone in a body of water 16 hours ago

Yeah, probably. Or perhaps Glenn got to him. Or Killary!

Many of the most famous recent police shootings were by minority officers, most abuse-ridden border patrol units had Latino leadership

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017

Well, Glenn is also kinda going full on trumpkin.

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/05/whats-worse-trumps-campaign-agenda-or-empowering-generals-and-cia-operatives-to-subvert-it/

(this is not a hard question he is posing)

I mean, this is just a rephrasing of "hire more women guards" really

Lockheed Martin has an award winning diversity program, a woman as CEO, hasn't changed their behavior helping to bomb women in Yemen

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017

I certainly get arguing that corrupt systems can't be reformed simply through more diverse hiring strategies, but his tweets could use a bit of uh finesse. I did not see the more obviously batshit sounding ones mentioned upthread.

Liberals disagree w/Richard Spencer's policy outlook but share his core belief that race alone determines your value in society pic.twitter.com/kTyh7DDQDj

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017

Worth noting the guy he is comparing to Richard Spencer is Jewish...

tired: politicians should have the experience & policies to do the most to help people of color
wired: measure politicians' skull shapes

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017

Japanese and British empires pacified their colonies with puppet leaders plucked from local ethnic groups. It's a successful strategy.

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017

Really, the Japanese empire was pacified through mass murder and rape, but, you know. Phrenology!

I'm beginning to think these guys are just stupid? They're just old-school know-nothings, who has no knowledge about history, social movements, and stick together their worldview through cherry picking details. How bad must you're memory be to write something like this: 'Whatever else there is to say about Trump, it is simply a fact that the 2016 election saw elite circles in the U.S., with very few exceptions, lining up with remarkable fervor behind his Democratic opponent.'

I kinda find the Greenwald article fascinating, in the way he seems to think Trump and generals are opposed. Like, Trump is openly an authoritarian, he adores the military, police, everyone who can kill people, except if he thinks they are against him.

As the Atlantic’s Rosie Gray reports, McMaster has successfully fired several national security officials aligned with Steve Bannon and the nationalistic, purportedly non-interventionist foreign policy and anti-Muslim worldview Trump advocated throughout the election. As Gray notes, this has provoked anger among Trump supporters who view the assertion of power by these Generals as an undemocratic attack against the policies for which the electorate voted.

[...]

The combination of the “Goldman Boys” and the Generals has taken over, Wilson crows, and is destroying the Bannon-led agenda on which Trump campaigned.

[...]

Whatever else is true, there is now simply no question that there is open warfare between adherents to the worldview Trump advocated in order to win, and the permanent national security power faction in Washington that – sometimes for good, and sometimes for evil – despises that agenda.

[...]

the military triumvirate of Kelly, Mattis and McMaster has been cast as the noble defenders of American democracy, pitted against those who were actually elected to lead the government.

[...]

In terms of some of the popular terms that are often thrown around these days – such as “authoritarianism” and “democratic norms” and “U.S. traditions” – it’s hard to imagine many things that would pose a greater threat to all of that than empowering the National Security State (what, before Trump, has long been called the Deep State) to exert precisely the power that is supposed to be reserved exclusively for elected officials.

Like, I'm picking sentences out of a long article, but this is kinda chilling. I mean, it's all just different officials Trump has chosen, for one reason or another, but Greenwald is quite openly declaring that anything other than putting Bannonites and the Bannonite ideology in charge would be a subversion of the American democracy.

Yeah, military types slowly taking over the administration is worrisome and some of the press around it has been very dumb, but GG's angle/tone on it is super weird.

Of course he is. That's his job; it's what he is paid to do.

The Intercept is a medium for right-wing psyops: to split the left and encourage true progressive voters to stay home, or waste their ballots on vanity candidates and write-ins. That is the sum of it.

:/

I'm pretty sure it's just an outfit for leftists who sometimes write and express themselves poorly.

El Tomboto, you're sounding worryingly like Lee Fang right now... ;)

But this is so weird that it's not enough for me to say that it's 'just' expressed poorly. There's clearly something pretty fucked up going on here. The support for Bannon, the constant conspiratorial thinking. I mean, partly it's obviously because they're idiots, but it's a very peculiar form of idiocy.

I think about what I would do in my adversary's shoes and much of what The Intercept does fits a model. Coming off strong, right to the precipice of unhinged, is what a Tombot does.

Again: :/

I think GG's (who tbh I do have a lot of respect for from his work on the expansion of the surveillance state) particular strain of deeply contrarian lib-bashing has broken something in his brain. I don't think it's more complicated than that.

Why is The Intercept alive and well when Gawker is not? Why is Wikileaks still a thing when its Dear Leader has been in a basement for years? 🤔

Um, there are plenty of strong leftist outlets that I see get shared around more than The Intercept and no one is suing them out of existence. Again, the simplest explanation is "GG is a bad writer now." It happens.