Rush: Classic or Dud?

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bruford was there. he was on stage with the band when they accepted the award, but didn't say anything himself. he didn't perform, though -- that's still the new kid (alan white)'s gig

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 10 April 2017 13:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

Analog Kid perhaps my favorite Lifeson solo, at least of the concision era. Grace and PW still my fave albums. Commercial AOR of Hold Your Fire and Presto still most underrated era.

Have we ever polled best Rush opening cut?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 April 2017 13:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeha bruford didn't speak. btw if you want to see some bullshit old rock star drama peep into billy sherwood's twitter or fb and see him go off on rick wakeman re: his speech; and despite a widely shared (by themelves!) pic of Jon Anderson and Jon Davidson smiling saying they would be doing an album together, Wakeman has said 100% NO

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 13:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

whoa @ the Jon x Jon album, that sounds pretty tight and potentially very strange

frogbs, Monday, 10 April 2017 13:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

it actually sounds completely awful to me in concept. I'm not sure if they were talking about a personal project or what, wakeman's dismissal seems to be more about 'no Union type thing' so perhaps. Anyway I personally think my time with Yes 'proper' is done; it would be nice to have steve howe involved in something with anderson again, but alan white is not up to par these days.

(I was looking for the FB links to all of these, and it looks like yes (official) may have taken the repost of sherwood's rant down)

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 13:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

Here are the Jons:

https://www.facebook.com/250766964978678/photos/a.250776908311017.64684.250766964978678/1358828777505819/?type=3&theater

"YEStory in the making. Jon and Jon meeting for the first time ever!
PEACE ON EARTH and HIGH VIBRATION GO ON.
JA and JD will do an album together and show all of you who focus on rivalry and hate that MUSiC conquers all!!!
If you call yourself a true YES fan, stop the petty fighting and embrace the REAL message of YES music."

jesus stop with the random capitalizations

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 13:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh, sherwood is now claming his FB page was hacked and his post is gone. Hacked by his own drunk self, I imagine.

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 14:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

I get the impression that Bruford is far more proud of his work with King Crimson than he is of his work with Yes. It's almost as if he sees his stint with Yes as a warm-up for the main event.

― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, April 10, 2017 8:33 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He's implied as much. In the BBC "Prog Britannia" documentary he said that Yes made a few records that led up to The Great Album, which was Close To The Edge. Once they'd reached that, he felt his work was done, so he split. I think, though, that he very much preferred the atmosphere in King Crimson in which, as he put it, "almost nothing was said. You were just supposed to know what to do." This was in stark contrast to Yes' endless discussions along the lines of "Wait, but if you're playing F# in that section, shouldn't I be playing A? Or not?"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 April 2017 14:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

honestly, everyone who was in KC (from the point Bruford joined) seem like sensible, honest, talented musicians as opposed to almost everyone in Yes who seem like egomaniac assholes.

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 14:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I get the feeling that in Yes, with everything being intricately arranged, that certain members would have a tendency to get precious about their parts or their material etc. King Crimson seems more "free", I guess, the type of band where people have room to express themselves, even if Fripp is ultimately the gaffer.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 10 April 2017 15:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

I got an email today offering tickets to a Yes show in October that will include Jon Anderson, Rick Wakeman, and Trevor Rabin.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 10 April 2017 15:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

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much as I like his playing on both Yes and KC records, IMO Bruford seems a bit of priss about some things. He's got a snobbiness that, say, Neal Peart absolutely doesn't.

Dominique, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

but I've been trying to have beef with him for some time now so

Dominique, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think Fripp and his approach are so disciplined that you have to sort of align with his vision to fit in at all, and once you do that (and assuming you have the chops) the rest is relatively "easy," albeit still rigorous. Whereas with Yes, yeah, the challenge is everyone fitting their little bits of the puzzle in, which is how you end up with frantic songs and complicated side-long epics. To Yes's credit (and I'm at best a casual fan) their tracks and epics all sort of cohere despite that, as opposed to a band like, say, Metallica, who is very much A -part, B-part, C-part etc.

Since this is a Rush thread I should say that I've always been amazed at Rush's ability to go compact and concise. All their parts just make sense, and that they can fit so many ideas in 5-minute, hook-filled songs is pretty incredible. But then, I only think of them as a nominal prog band with only a couple of albums that fit the part, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 April 2017 15:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am 46 and time stands still is making my eyes tear up rn, what can ya do.

So glad I got to see these guys one time but I wish I'd made it to more than that.

iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Monday, 10 April 2017 16:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

xxx-post:

Oh yeah, I have no doubt that Bruford is a little bit of a snob about certain things... I get the feeling that Bruford would find playing in a basic rock band where all the songs are in 4/4 beneath him, whereas Peart would have no problem with the idea.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 10 April 2017 16:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Early 70s interviews with Bruford are incredibly posh.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wakeman's speech is hilarious (apart from the bit about his wife). Still puncturing his bandmate's pomposity to the end. And yeah, Geddy was awesome.

Jeff W, Monday, 10 April 2017 19:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Reminds me of the Amadeus film, "I'm a vulgar man but my music is not".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 10 April 2017 20:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

if geddy stepped in as the permanent Yes bassist I'd have no issues with that. I hate Billy Sherwood

Anderson et all released a press release today stating that going forward ARW are known as "Yes featuring Jon Anderson, Trevor kRabin,and Rick Wakeman". We'll see how long before Yes freak out and sue them, although apparently that's how they were being booked and promoted in europe already.

akm, Monday, 10 April 2017 21:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Wish that Sam Dunn documentary had a bigger variety of fans like Stephen Malkmus and Nicky Wire.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 6 May 2017 20:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

He's a metal dude, and doesn't have much knowledge of much outside that scene. But yes, some output from outside metal/hard rock would have been cool to see.

A. Begrand, Saturday, 6 May 2017 21:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

I do like his stuff generally but I wonder if he sometimes pretends to know less than he does. Like in the power metal episode he sounded like he knew absolutely nothing about the genre and that doesn't seem possible.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 6 May 2017 21:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT1gmKUoqbY

\m/

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 July 2017 20:13 (five months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBVya4G8uNQ

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 17:55 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't know where to see the whole thing, but there are bits of clips and stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVoEcHudb8w

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 18:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Wish that Sam Dunn documentary had a bigger variety of fans like Stephen Malkmus and Nicky Wire.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, May 6, 2017 8:11 PM (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, yes! Manic Street Preachers got the title of their album Lifeblood from one of the last lyrics on '2112' ("my lifeblood spills over") and the title track of Journal For Plague Lovers is blatantly influenced by 'The Spirit of Radio' ...

Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 29 October 2017 18:40 (one month ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Amazing. "Three new species of microbe found in the guts of termites have been named after members of the Canadian prog-rock band Rush, owing to the microbes’ long hair and rhythmic wriggling under the microscope." (h/t @annielogue) https://t.co/dHxzbRQNqy

— Annie Zaleski (@anniezaleski) November 27, 2017

mookieproof, Monday, 27 November 2017 19:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

man I've been pretty into rush this past week out of the blue. really a shame I never managed to see them live.

akm, Monday, 27 November 2017 23:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

They were good but you didn't miss much, imo. They were famous - and justly so - for replicating the studio versions pretty much perfectly.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

You didn't really get much in the way of per se surprises but you did feel the general enthusiasm live for sure -- perfect balance between technical flash and heartland arena rock vibes leavened with a bit of humor as it went. Good working formula!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Actually, the best experience of seeing Rush live was being in a big place surrounded by other dorks really into Rush. That and watching people try to air drum/bass/guitar at the same time.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 03:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm listening to Counterparts for the first time, at least the reissue on Spotify. I always avoided it because I hated "Nobody's Hero". I still skipped that song, but, otherwise, I'm surprised by how much I actually really like this. Mostly not that different mainstream rock of the early 90s (which I have a nostalgic spot for) but the playing elevates it, pushes the songs ahead, and the sound is clear and muscular. Lifeson esp sounds great. Solos on "Alien Shore" (esp) and "Cold Fire" are great and "Leave That Thing Alone" is up there with the back catalogue.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 4 December 2017 17:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I think that was a record they did after hearing a lot of the bands they'd inspired, like Primus. I remember hearing the lead single "Stick It Out" and thinking, wow they're finally coming back! iirc album as a whole not *tons* better than the ones preceding it, but it was a kind of "welcome to the 90s" for them.

Dominique, Monday, 4 December 2017 17:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Counterparts is one of my favorite Rush albums. Thought it was a big step up from Hold Your Fire, Presto, and Roll The Bones.

Moodles, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:31 (one week ago) Permalink

It was consciously their "return to guitar" record, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:42 (one week ago) Permalink

I did a buddy of mine's taxes one year and his payment was taking me to see Rush on the Counterparts tour! They were so good that tour.

BlackIronPrison, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:44 (one week ago) Permalink


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