I Never MENA Hurt You; I Never MENA Make You Cry 2017 (Middle East, North Africa, and Other Geopolitical Hotspots)

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Makes me wonder what was the secret part of the deal and what, if anything, does this recognition do to benefit the USA or its policies regarding the Mideast?

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link

The mainstream speculation is that he did it to guarantee Russia a place (/the place/?) at the table for upcoming Israel/Palestine negotiations. Who knows what he has agreed to w/ Bibi behind closed doors - they've been meeting a lot recently. It seems like Israel was not prepared for the announcement (they haven't commented yet). Maybe he wants to divert attention from Syria? Maybe he is buying Israeli cooperation/coordination on Syria/ISIS/something else?

Vis-a-vis the US I can't think of how it would actively benefit them. If anything it removes one of the bargaining chips they've kept on the table to use against Israel and if there's no concerted blowback from Arab nations it'll discredit American intelligence who claimed it was too dangerous to do. I think it'll make it more likely that the US moves the embassy but v hard to predict Trump. Maybe Putin was just pissed about the bombing (but he seems a bit too clever to be making major geopolitical decisions out of anger).

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link

All I know is that an order from Assad to drop chemicals at this point would be completely illogical and would gain him no advantages in his attempt to regain control of Syria and only jeopardize his hold on power which, for the first time in years, looks like it might be reestablished.

He's been dropping chemicals and God knows what else for years now, and getting away with it, what makes now any different?

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link

[citation needed?]

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link

The JPost article won't load for me so it might make it clear there but the statement positions West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in a future context in which East Jerusalem becomes the capital of an independent Palestinian state - which seems different to unilaterally doing so - as Trump was hinting at doing. Xps.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

SV: "While officials in Jerusalem interpreted this to mean that recognition of west Jerusalem as Israel’s capital will only come once east Jerusalem becomes the capital of a Palestinian state, The Jerusalem Post has learned that Moscow intends this recognition to go into effect immediately."

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link

xp I wouldn't consider that "dropping chemicals... for years now" nor "getting away with it." it was a major event that almost led to direct US intervention that was only staved off bc they agreed to give all their chemical weapons to the Russians.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link

they agreed to give all their chemical weapons to the Russians.

Yes, that's worked out well, hasn't it?

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link

I don't know how it has worked out. Have there been continual attacks before this week? It has been quiet enough on that front that Kerry called the agreement a success. Is it totally clear what happened this week? Not to me.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link

Heard a onetime Obama admin guy asserting that Assad gave up "most" of the chemical weapons in that deal, and thus it was still a success. He doubled down on that phrasing when asked a follow-up about how Assad was supposed to have given up all, and then proceeded to say that the Russians must be mad at Assad for having done this now.

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 April 2017 14:24 (seven years ago) link

Ahmadinejad has submitted his name for the presidential elections.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 08:47 (seven years ago) link

Banner day for Iran lunatics:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/opinion/why-is-trump-fighting-isis-in-syria.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

This is a time for Trump to be Trump — utterly cynical and unpredictable. ISIS right now is the biggest threat to Iran, Hezbollah, Russia and pro-Shiite Iranian militias — because ISIS is a Sunni terrorist group that plays as dirty as Iran and Russia.

Trump should want to defeat ISIS in Iraq. But in Syria? Not for free, not now. In Syria, Trump should let ISIS be Assad’s, Iran’s, Hezbollah’s and Russia’s headache — the same way we encouraged the mujahedeen fighters to bleed Russia in Afghanistan.

That worked out grand last time, didn't it?

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link

Oh, a Thomas L. Friedman column.

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 April 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link

didn't link to Krauthamer's column

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link

So Erdogan had unlimited funds, controls the media, silenced opposition, intimidated voters, and still only manages a 51vs49% win in the referendum. Embarrassing.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link

tbf after almost a century ppl are probably pretty attached to democracy

Mordy, Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link

Shame half of the ppl voted democracy in the bin then.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link

if u were wondering what the US gov thought about all this
https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/854059951106424836

BREAKING Presidential sources: US President Trump calls Turkish President Erdoğan to congratulate him on #Turkeyreferendum result.

Mordy, Monday, 17 April 2017 23:33 (seven years ago) link

Ugh, though not surprised.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 04:49 (seven years ago) link

same old, same old

Syria's military said Israel struck a military installation southwest of Damascus International Airport before dawn Thursday, setting off a series of explosions and raising tensions further between the two neighbors.

Apparently seeking to interrupt weapons transfers to the Hezbollah group in Lebanon, Israel has struck inside Syria with increasing frequency in recent weeks, making the war-torn country a proxy theater for Israel's wider war with Iran.

http://time.com/4758928/israel-syria-strikes-iran/

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 April 2017 14:53 (seven years ago) link

There was this recently as well-

American officials expressed indignation at the Turkish bombing, which killed as many as 20 Kurdish fighters in Syria and, according to the U.S. military, five Kurdish peshmerga troops in a coordinated attack across the border in northern Iraq. According to the Turkish government, both attacks targeted members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which both Ankara and Washington consider a terrorist group.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/04/26/pentagon-expands-rebuke-of-turkey-over-iraq-syria-strikes/

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 April 2017 15:01 (seven years ago) link

The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas will drop its longstanding call for Israel's destruction as well as its association with the Muslim Brotherhood, in a policy document to be issued on Monday, Gulf Arab sources said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-hamas-document-idUSKBN17X1N8

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 1 May 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link

(raises eyebrows)

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 1 May 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link

The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas will drop its longstanding call for Israel's destruction as well as its association with the Muslim Brotherhood, in a policy document to be issued on Monday, Gulf Arab sources said.

But the document, to be announced later on Monday, will still reject Israel's right to exist and back "armed struggle" against it, the Gulf Arab sources told Reuters.

obviously i'm missing some finer distinction here

Mordy, Monday, 1 May 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link

But the document, to be announced later on Monday, will still reject Israel's right to exist and back "armed struggle" against it, the Gulf Arab sources told Reuters.

oh, the first point is more of an obstacle than the second. armed struggle is contingent and negotiable, while a right to exist is absolute.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 1 May 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link

'We don't think it should not exist, we just don't think it should not not exist...'

Frederik B, Monday, 1 May 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link

I wonder, also, if there's some nuance to the Arabic that we're not getting.

behavioral sink (Sanpaku), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link

it sounds to me like they want to have their cake (the appearance of reasonableness and moderation) and eat it too (still get to pursue same policies without making any real conciliatory gestures)

Mordy, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:32 (seven years ago) link

It seems pretty unambiguous: "But, he said, "unlike Fatah, Hamas does not accept Israel's right to exist on the rest of the land. Hamas's constant position is not to cede any of our historical rights and not to recognize the (Israeli) occupation.""

Frederik B, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link

I kinda thought they were getting weapons from Hezbollah/Syria/Iran, though, or am I completely messing things up?

Frederik B, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link

Well, Hamas is Sunni, Hezbollah is Shia. Why the fuck didn't I fact-check that before I posted... Sorry.

Frederik B, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link

Iran has funded Hamas recently, especially as they've become alienated from the Sunni world (esp in light of Muslim Brotherhood losing their position in Egypt - there seemed like a brief moment that Hamas was going to be able to renew their historical funding from Egypt), but it's unclear to me how extensive that funding is. You'd think it would be less successful than their funding of Hezbollah since it's easier to pass weapons through Syria than through the Sinai but idk exactly what those numbers are. Hezbollah wouldn't fund Hamas directly bc they're both client states.

Mordy, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link

Also there was a period recently when the Iran funding had dried up - after Hamas had criticized Assad and taken the side of the rebels - but I think that has since been mended.

Mordy, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link

U.S. to arm Kurds
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/us/politics/trump-kurds-syria-army.html

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link

trump is good now

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link

stopped clock etc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link

presumably he's just more malleable than bho & ppl have wanted this for a while

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link

It is the first sensible thing he has done since in office (but yeah, stopped clock etc)

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link

I'm sure 45 also told the Russian ambassador to get Syria to stop doing that. I wonder what he'll say in his meeting with Erdogan today.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link

#Erdogan’s guards fight with #Kurdish protesters in front of Turkish Embassy in Washington DC pic.twitter.com/w3Q0BLzJUK

— Turkey Observed (@TurkeyObserved) May 17, 2017

Erdogans henchmen were having some good old fun again this morning kicking Kurdish protestors. In DC.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link

Land of the Free to Kick Some Kurds in the Head

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link

I read that this is not the first time they've done that.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link

kinda awesome news from iran today

Mordy, Saturday, 20 May 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/strikes-kill-106-civilians-mayadeen-170526132541011.html

Al Jazeera's Patty Culhane, reporting from Washington DC, said the latest air strikes may relate to the so-called 'December Directive' - a memo sent by former US President Barack Obama changing the command structure enabling commanders on the ground to bypass the Pentagon and order air strikes, while also easing the restrictions on when they could fire. US President Donald Trump has maintained this directive.

"They used to have to have 'near certainty' that no civilians would be killed - it's a much looser rule now," she said.

"And that's why you're seeing many human rights groups coming out and saying that those changes need to go back to how they were before the 'December Directive'."

US military admits killing more than 100 civilians in Mosul air strike

The latest strike came as the UN urged all countries bombing ISIL, or the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant group, in Syria to better distinguish between civilian and military targets.

curmudgeon, Friday, 26 May 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gunmen-kill-23-christians-in-central-egypt/2017/05/26/3d2693dc-41fc-11e7-adba-394ee67a7582_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_egypt-635a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.66f4e99bb70d

Christians have been generally supportive of Sissi’s military-backed government, but have become increasingly critical of the inability of the country’s security forces to protect their places of worship.

curmudgeon, Friday, 26 May 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link

whats the fucking point of 'fighting' terrorism when you can't even level with your own people about the causes of it?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link


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