also jumping back a bit, even if we restrict the definition of 'riff' to 'lead line', surely paint it black is almost as famous as satisfaction?
Yes, as is 'The Last Time' ...
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
No, 'Start Me Up' is a riff, flappy, and you're still wrong.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
'Ventilator Blues' is far from the Stones most famous song, but christ, what a riff.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
Riffs vs Licks The opening guitar on Tumbling Dice is a good example of a lick. It's just a tasty part of the song. Vs a riff which repeats...
― calstars, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
the "isn't chordal" part of flappy's riff definition is the part that seems a bit revisionist to me
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
yeah, like 'Wild Horses' and 'Jigsaw Puzzle' are made up of separate licks rather than one defining riff
xp i maintain that a riff is not chordal. i wouldn't call Smells Like Teen Spirit a riff. a riff is a lead line in the lower register that repeats/defines the song
― flappy bird, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
*usually in the lower register... At the Drive-In's 'Arcarsenal,' Omar's high part in that is a riff, not a lick. fuck my head hurts
doesn't this argument have its own thread (possibly with "hook" thrown in for good measure?)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
and I'm pretty sure it's 'rift'.
― how's life, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
The Parts of a Song
― Οὖτις, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Keith Richards thing is dyad and triad riffs, lots of them based off an open G tuning. Dyad riffing would be anything with powerchords from Iron Man to Smoke on the Water.
― earlnash, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
Jesus H Christ this thread sidetracked
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/1/2/212_label.jpg?2453
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
riffs are killerlicks are tasty
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Rollingstonesfortylicks.jpgthink this settles it
― tylerw, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
This debate about the definition of "riff" seems crazy to me. The term does not originate with rock guitar. Any repeated melodic pattern that forms the basis for a tune, whether it is harmonized or not, can be called a riff, regardless of register.
http://riverwalkjazz.stanford.edu/program/riffs-and-shouts-building-blocks-jazz
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
also tone is sick
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
OTM
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Unless this whole thing is for the lulz, in which case, good work.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
Thanks, Sund4r. Finally some sense in here.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
At what point did Jimmy Page realize his tone was so sick
― tylerw, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
xpost:
Yeah, part of me actually hopes flappy bird is trolling, 'cuz I can't believe someone could be this much of an idiot.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
xpost well in 1977 everything about Page was sick
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
killer riffstasty lickssick tone....
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ANY QUESTIONS???
da share zone
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link
guys ffs keef is known as the human riff not the human lick
lock thread
― stanley weebeard (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link
he has however been licked by many humans
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
'Communication Breakdown' ... what a riff!
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
i admit i partially brought up 'licks' just to provoke this whole last forty posts or so
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
massive hooks
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
By that logic, Christian bands are all Satanic bands, which means U2 are satanists.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican)
https://deforestlondon.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/230135.jpg
― nomar, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
MacPhisto!!!!
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link
" a riff is a lead line in the lower register that repeats/defines the song"This basically eliminates the entire career of Jeff Beck from The Yardbirds to today ffs.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
pfft Jeff Beck doesn't riff, what kinda car did he drive in his prime?! not the type of car a RIFF PLAYER drove, that's for sure!
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2011/02/22/becksidex-large.jpg
― nomar, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link
Hey man, he works on cars like he works on his guitars.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51s5GU5ia7L.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
I have fond memories of that album.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
i love that cover so much
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:22 (seven years ago) link
i'd always heard that in through the out door was mostly just plant and jones as they were the only one's who would show up at the studio. on the rare occasion that bonham and page would show up they were usually under the influence. that would explain the preponderance of synths on the record.
Back to Zep. Somehow, because I can't listen to everything obviously, I'd never heard the extended All My Love with a proper ending but it's great and Page is in full flow. Don't understand why they faded it out on the album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4M9nVrijA
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link
...once I learned it was about Karac it had a much bigger impact on me.― Neanderthal, Monday, April 3, 2017 4:29 PM (five hours ago)
― Neanderthal, Monday, April 3, 2017 4:29 PM (five hours ago)
Also, this. Plant is pouring his heart out.
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Howbout we just say that the Devil has all the best riffs, and Jesus has the licks
― Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
is this riff discussion for real? if you think the tinny, faux-sitar line that is playing in unison with mick's vocal melody on "paint it black" is the same thing as "sweet leaf" you are fucking crazy.
define a riff however you please but christ, distinctions must be made.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 03:48 (seven years ago) link
and yeah, the stones were not a riff band. like, the beatles had riffs! "day tripper" and "i feel fine" and "hey bulldog" and "dig a pony" and "everybody's got something to hide..." etc. but they weren't a riff band and neither were the stones. keith has many wonderful parts that are essential to the architecture of the song, but it's rarely comparable to something like "whole lotta love" and if you say you can't hear the difference then you're being willfully obtuse.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 04:03 (seven years ago) link
on we go.....
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 04:34 (seven years ago) link
Controversial on topic opinion to derail off topic thread back on topic:
I think the Zep began to crest their wave when they started titling albums with actual words.
― octobeard, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 05:49 (seven years ago) link
Q: Which band's guitarist is known as "The Human Riff"?
― Vernon Locke, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 07:11 (seven years ago) link
If it's not Malcolm Young, it should be.
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:34 (seven years ago) link
The Jets?
― how's life, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:54 (seven years ago) link
I guess the quintessential riffs to me is You Really Got Me by the Kinks or Smoke on the Water
Where the duh dun duh duh duh da dun at the beginning of Brown Sugar is more of a tasty lick imho
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 12:25 (seven years ago) link
define a riff however you please but christ, distinctions must be made.― budo jeru, Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:48 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― budo jeru, Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:48 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Y'see, there is an actual definition of what a riff is and Sund4r posted it above.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 12:33 (seven years ago) link
There is a riff in 'Brown Sugar', but the intro isn't it.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 12:34 (seven years ago) link