yeah that's a legit distinction
― Οὖτις, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
also jumping back a bit, even if we restrict the definition of 'riff' to 'lead line', surely paint it black is almost as famous as satisfaction?
― iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
xpost otm x 2
paved the way for such fun like Demon Hunter
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
By that logic, Christian bands are all Satanic bands, which means U2 are satanists.
satanists are a subsect of Christianity, not the other way around. But yes, I'm sure Bono believes in the devil, probably the same way Antonin Scalia did
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
the devil is MULTINATIONAL COMMERCE
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
誤訳侮辱 OTM.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
Trying to clarify what I said earlier: a riff is rhythmic and essential to the song's identity, but it's usually not chordal - Paint it Black is definitely a riff, so is Satisfaction, but i maintain that Start Me Up is not a riff.
a lick does not repeat - a lick isn't the core of the song like a riff
― flappy bird, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link
Yes, as is 'The Last Time' ...
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
No, 'Start Me Up' is a riff, flappy, and you're still wrong.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
'Ventilator Blues' is far from the Stones most famous song, but christ, what a riff.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
Riffs vs Licks The opening guitar on Tumbling Dice is a good example of a lick. It's just a tasty part of the song. Vs a riff which repeats...
― calstars, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
the "isn't chordal" part of flappy's riff definition is the part that seems a bit revisionist to me
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
yeah, like 'Wild Horses' and 'Jigsaw Puzzle' are made up of separate licks rather than one defining riff
xp i maintain that a riff is not chordal. i wouldn't call Smells Like Teen Spirit a riff. a riff is a lead line in the lower register that repeats/defines the song
― flappy bird, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
*usually in the lower register... At the Drive-In's 'Arcarsenal,' Omar's high part in that is a riff, not a lick. fuck my head hurts
doesn't this argument have its own thread (possibly with "hook" thrown in for good measure?)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
and I'm pretty sure it's 'rift'.
― how's life, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
The Parts of a Song
― Οὖτις, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
Keith Richards thing is dyad and triad riffs, lots of them based off an open G tuning. Dyad riffing would be anything with powerchords from Iron Man to Smoke on the Water.
― earlnash, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
Jesus H Christ this thread sidetracked
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/1/2/212_label.jpg?2453
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
riffs are killerlicks are tasty
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Rollingstonesfortylicks.jpgthink this settles it
― tylerw, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
This debate about the definition of "riff" seems crazy to me. The term does not originate with rock guitar. Any repeated melodic pattern that forms the basis for a tune, whether it is harmonized or not, can be called a riff, regardless of register.
http://riverwalkjazz.stanford.edu/program/riffs-and-shouts-building-blocks-jazz
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
also tone is sick
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
OTM
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Unless this whole thing is for the lulz, in which case, good work.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
Thanks, Sund4r. Finally some sense in here.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
At what point did Jimmy Page realize his tone was so sick
― tylerw, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
xpost:
Yeah, part of me actually hopes flappy bird is trolling, 'cuz I can't believe someone could be this much of an idiot.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
xpost well in 1977 everything about Page was sick
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
killer riffstasty lickssick tone....
..
ANY QUESTIONS???
da share zone
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link
guys ffs keef is known as the human riff not the human lick
lock thread
― stanley weebeard (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link
he has however been licked by many humans
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
'Communication Breakdown' ... what a riff!
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
i admit i partially brought up 'licks' just to provoke this whole last forty posts or so
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 3 April 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
massive hooks
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican)
https://deforestlondon.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/230135.jpg
― nomar, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
MacPhisto!!!!
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link
" a riff is a lead line in the lower register that repeats/defines the song"This basically eliminates the entire career of Jeff Beck from The Yardbirds to today ffs.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
pfft Jeff Beck doesn't riff, what kinda car did he drive in his prime?! not the type of car a RIFF PLAYER drove, that's for sure!
― Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2011/02/22/becksidex-large.jpg
― nomar, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link
Hey man, he works on cars like he works on his guitars.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51s5GU5ia7L.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
I have fond memories of that album.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
i love that cover so much
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:22 (seven years ago) link
i'd always heard that in through the out door was mostly just plant and jones as they were the only one's who would show up at the studio. on the rare occasion that bonham and page would show up they were usually under the influence. that would explain the preponderance of synths on the record.
Back to Zep. Somehow, because I can't listen to everything obviously, I'd never heard the extended All My Love with a proper ending but it's great and Page is in full flow. Don't understand why they faded it out on the album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4M9nVrijA
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link
...once I learned it was about Karac it had a much bigger impact on me.― Neanderthal, Monday, April 3, 2017 4:29 PM (five hours ago)
― Neanderthal, Monday, April 3, 2017 4:29 PM (five hours ago)
Also, this. Plant is pouring his heart out.
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Howbout we just say that the Devil has all the best riffs, and Jesus has the licks
― Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 3 April 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link
is this riff discussion for real? if you think the tinny, faux-sitar line that is playing in unison with mick's vocal melody on "paint it black" is the same thing as "sweet leaf" you are fucking crazy.
define a riff however you please but christ, distinctions must be made.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 03:48 (seven years ago) link
and yeah, the stones were not a riff band. like, the beatles had riffs! "day tripper" and "i feel fine" and "hey bulldog" and "dig a pony" and "everybody's got something to hide..." etc. but they weren't a riff band and neither were the stones. keith has many wonderful parts that are essential to the architecture of the song, but it's rarely comparable to something like "whole lotta love" and if you say you can't hear the difference then you're being willfully obtuse.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 04:03 (seven years ago) link
on we go.....
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 04:34 (seven years ago) link