Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/could-michael-flynn-turn-on-trump

ryan lizza on the immunity story. i'm still unclear i guess on what exactly flynn wants immunity for - aside from the logan act, what laws has he broken? i guess that's what we don't know yet

k3vin k., Friday, 31 March 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link

"Although Flynn’s lawyer, Robert Kelner of Covington & Burling, refused to comment for the article, he tweeted out a statement teasing that “General Flynn certainly has a story tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit.”

"As an experienced lawyer, Kelner will know that the Justice Department would never grant immunity for testimony on these terms. Prosecutors would first require that Flynn submit to what’s called a proffer session in which Flynn would agree to tell everything he knows in exchange for the prosecutors agreeing not to use his statement against him. Only after the prosecutors heard what Flynn could offer in terms of evidence against others, and had an opportunity to assess his credibility, would they be willing to discuss any grants of immunity or a cooperation deal. At a minimum, the prosecutors would require Flynn’s lawyer to make a proffer outlining the information that Flynn could provide.

"The fact that Flynn and his lawyer have made his offer publicly suggests that he has nothing good to give the prosecutors (either because he cannot incriminate others or is unwilling to do so). If he had something good, Flynn and his lawyer would approach the prosecutors quietly, go through the proffer process in confidence, and reach a deal. Why? Because prosecutors have an interest in keeping their investigation secret, and Flynn’s lawyer knows that...."

https://www.justsecurity.org/39426/explainer-flynns-request-immunity/

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:21 (seven years ago) link

We're applying logic and reason to these people because why?

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:32 (seven years ago) link

threat of imprisonment sometimes brings clarity

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link

I think I choose to believe Flynn's lawyer is also a dumbass

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:57 (seven years ago) link

Hm hm hm:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/847936144499146753

BREAKING: US investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign reps helped Russian intel carry out cyberattacks

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:21 (seven years ago) link

And hooray!

https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump's-approach-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:25 (seven years ago) link

I just hope we get a new suffix out of this. So sick of -gates

“Yeah. Huh, thanks.” (los blue jeans), Saturday, 1 April 2017 03:21 (seven years ago) link

my money's on -tape for Pisstape

nice cage (m bison), Saturday, 1 April 2017 03:33 (seven years ago) link

Hope Donnie finds the remote in prison so he can watch his fav shows

Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 April 2017 03:39 (seven years ago) link

I really don't think Trump's going to prison, getting impeached, any of that. And I'm at peace with that! The guy is dirty as hell, his team is all dirty as hell, and this constant drumbeat is going to give the 80% of Americans who don't pay close attention to the news the vague (and correct) sense they're all dirty as hell and make it hard for them to get anything done.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 1 April 2017 03:46 (seven years ago) link

from this piece qualmsley posted in the russia trump poll thread - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/31/the-political-walls-are-closing-in-on-donald-trump.html

Even if he survives, Trump’s leadership in Washington is in tatters. The Freedom Caucus doesn’t fear him. What’s left of the Republican moderates don’t respect him. The Democrats will have nothing to do with him. And his fair weather friend, Paul Ryan, is a disaster as speaker of the House who is fighting harder for tax cuts for the top one percent than for anything in the Trump campaign agenda and making enemies of the Breitbartians in the process.

there are people who didn't see this all coming! fuck those people.

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Saturday, 1 April 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link

i didn't see it coming tbf, mainly because i stopped trying to see things coming after last year.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 1 April 2017 14:16 (seven years ago) link

I was thinking more of folks who thought this asshole and his family were going to get results

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Saturday, 1 April 2017 14:30 (seven years ago) link

if he'd have appointed advisers who weren't first-timers or morons he might have had a shot (*might*) but that was never going to happen.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 April 2017 14:31 (seven years ago) link

i like that knives are out for kushner now http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/jared-kushner-white-house-influence-236758

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 1 April 2017 14:35 (seven years ago) link

fingers crossed we get stronger nepotism laws and a steeper estate tax out of all this garbage. a 'trump-kushner tax' on insane inherited wealth would be a fitting legacy for this administration

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link

ahh yes this is a good idea

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/326830-trump-tells-nbc-to-stop-covering-russia-story

Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:13 (seven years ago) link

honestly, I thought they were going to get a lot more of their agenda crammed through quickly with a republican congress, I did not realize how massively all involved would manage to screw it all up when they had everything they needed to be successful (except brains)

Moodles, Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:19 (seven years ago) link

yeah I didn't sleep well for days after the election because of thinking just that. I knew he would suck, but I figured the party woulda found a way around his ineptitude.

knock on wood I guess it's still sadly early.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link

There was always the question of what Trumps agenda even was. I wouldn't be surprised if he had more commercials promoting a Democratic agenda than Clinton (for good reasons, imo, but that's another discussion).

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link

even the Nunes maneuver hasn't succeeded like I thought it would (mostly cos the press found their stones and are shitting all over his bullshit behavior)

Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link

It's still early sure but midterms are tantalizingly close

softie (silby), Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link

Hoping ossoff clears 50% in GA so we can hail him president like what the media did to Scott brown

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link

i'd call faster melting of the icecaps a result

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:56 (seven years ago) link

That tends to happen each spring no matter who the president is, though.

Frederik B, Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link

yeah that's how you were freed from that glacier

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link

Ok lol

Οὖτις, Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link

lmao

flopson, Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link

clean hit

sleeve, Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link

delicious

marcos, Saturday, 1 April 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link

daaaaaaaaaaaamn

Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 April 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link

damn son

Krauthammer himself has been a paraplegic since the age of 22. That’s an expensive medical condition. Probably he has group insurance through the Washington Post or another institution with which he’s affiliated, allowing him to spread the cost of his expensive medical care onto a risk pool that includes healthier, cheaper-to-cover people. Or perhaps he has a different arrangement. I do not for one moment resent that my insurance helps cover either childbirth or mechanized wheelchairs, even though I personally need neither service, and nothing Krauthammer says would make me reconsider.
It is callous enough that Republicans apply their every-man-for-himself logic to health care, and land on the belief that those fortunate enough to be blessed with good health should not be burdened with the cost of paying for the medical needs of others. But when the advocate of this argument himself has expensive medical needs, the callousness rises to a level of solipsistic barbarism. A paraplegic man resents having to pay for women who need help breastfeeding their babies. Why should those women have to buy insurance that covers wheelchairs?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 1 April 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link

oops [ q ]

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 1 April 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link

chait is stone cold

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 1 April 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link

Conservatives will scream "wow, rude" if they acknowledge it at all, but it's such a direct hit.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link

Bring on the April thread already, US peeps

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link

He got away with all his lies, people still elected him. Will he also get away without getting anything done? By blaming others all the time? I hope not but I fear yes. I am really happy living in good old europe these days. The usa give me the chills.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link

Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd!!!!

Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Monday, 3 April 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link

lock thread

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 April 2017 01:01 (seven years ago) link

more like Sexy Eyes Chuck Todd

OK lock it now

baffled, brooding (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 3 April 2017 02:24 (seven years ago) link


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