haha ya that's the one i mentioned above
some time in the first season there's a line about him being straight and the delivery is perfect
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 31 March 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
This was season 5, but:
Roz: We thought Deb was your cat.
Gil Chesterson: She is not a cat! She is Mrs. Gilbert Leslie Chesterton, a Sarah Lawrence graduate, and the owner of a very successful auto body repair shop. Honestly, the conclusions people make, just because a man dresses well and knows how to use a pastry bag![he exits]
Frasier: Well, that's the first time I've ever seen a man "in" himself.
― You're going to see a lot of love. Okay? Thank you. (Dan Peterson), Friday, 31 March 2017 21:25 (seven years ago) link
haha i remember that one too
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 31 March 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
Getting through season 8 was a struggle
Spoilers
Halfway through is when niles and daphne finally start dating and it turns a bit soap operay
Season 9 starts out a bit boring, but you can tell they're trying to do something new, with the creative episode (forget which ep#), and frasier thinking about all his past relationships
Martin still remains the elusive one, but what motivated me to post is s09e04 is when he starts his security job and starts thinking about the day he got shot. Out of all the backstories this one struck a chord, as he reminds me of my grandad
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 01:37 (seven years ago) link
S09e05
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 01:40 (seven years ago) link
There once was a man frasier craneWho says he can feel your painBut he acts like a snobTo the guys at his jobAnd i think he's totally lame
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 01:44 (seven years ago) link
I love the Motor Skills ep in season 8
― PressAnarchyToContinue (Ste), Thursday, 4 May 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
Slowing rewatching this and I'm in early season 9, too. Shocking what a self-serious slog this show became somewhere around season 8. I remember a dip in quality but I didn't remember it being this harsh
― Evan R, Thursday, 4 May 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
watched this episode recently:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EqMG0t0vo6k/S8vhrIHgWjI/AAAAAAAAA6s/Av4Jb4aslaY/s1600/Ep28.jpg
decent enough early frasier.
Then i was on a plane and watched the episode "miss right now" from season 11 with jennifer tilly in it and it was god awful. daphne and niels together. frasier being emo about his love-life etc.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 May 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
the first half of season 9 david hyde pierce (niles) has some major problems staying in character
he goes in and out of his mid-atlantic accent a lot and it's bizarre watching him just totally slack off as an actor
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 4 May 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
the dip into series 10 is especially stark because it's suddenly in hd. the pacing plummets just as the picture gets crisp, so you can really see those phoned-in performances in exquisite detail.
― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 4 May 2017 22:55 (seven years ago) link
oh and frasiers ex with the man voice always wearing really REALLY short dresses was kind of wrong too.
lilith is hot as hell, hush your mouth
― Impartial Father (stevie), Friday, 5 May 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
Angell and his wife, Lynn, were among the passengers of American Airlines Flight 11 killed in the September 11 attacks when the plane was hijacked by members of Al Qaeda and flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City in 2001.[1][4][5]Coincidentally, a 1997 episode of Frasier titled "Odd Man Out" of season 4 episode 24 (an episode which Angell co-wrote) features a woman's voice, Linda Hamilton, on Dr. Frasier Crane's answering machine stating she will arrive into Sea-Tac Airport, though she does not actually say Sea-Tac airport, on American Airlines' Flight 11. The episode was first broadcast on May 27, 1997: 4 years and 3 months later, Angell and his wife perished aboard that same flight. Eerily, in the same episode a couple getting engaged in the same restaurant in which Frasier is dining alone, the man says to his fiancée that if they ever should die he hopes that it's at the same time so they wouldn't have to be apart.
Coincidentally, a 1997 episode of Frasier titled "Odd Man Out" of season 4 episode 24 (an episode which Angell co-wrote) features a woman's voice, Linda Hamilton, on Dr. Frasier Crane's answering machine stating she will arrive into Sea-Tac Airport, though she does not actually say Sea-Tac airport, on American Airlines' Flight 11. The episode was first broadcast on May 27, 1997: 4 years and 3 months later, Angell and his wife perished aboard that same flight. Eerily, in the same episode a couple getting engaged in the same restaurant in which Frasier is dining alone, the man says to his fiancée that if they ever should die he hopes that it's at the same time so they wouldn't have to be apart.
― Impartial Father (stevie), Friday, 5 May 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
That's horrible
Feel like seasons 2-4ish were the golden years? Just a feeling bc ive not rewatched them since this second time
S09e16 was a good ep after a while. Second half of s08 and first half of s09 are really bad but it's picking up steam again
Anyway this is the one where michael keaton guest stars as an invalid and after a life of decadence and charlatanry becomes a tv evangelist like persona. Probably one of the best episodes of the show
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Saturday, 6 May 2017 04:47 (seven years ago) link
Season 1 is different, but really good in it's own way, imo. To me the golden years are 1-5 and the end is when the season finale for 5 for the first time ends on a cliffhanger. After that, it's much more broadly glotbased, and less about mood and character.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 6 May 2017 06:33 (seven years ago) link
I enjoyed Frasier, but Cheers was so far superior a show.
― Impartial Father (stevie), Saturday, 6 May 2017 06:43 (seven years ago) link
keaton one was all time, def
― sktsh, Monday, 8 May 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
Just watched that one too. That bit where Frasier stands up bleating like a sheep, haha
― PressAnarchyToContinue (Ste), Monday, 8 May 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link
― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:55 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
holy crap is this ever true
and zooey deschanel as early 2000s hipster/ilxor makes her debut as jen in s10e04
i would say her acting is off if it wasn't for her recognizable ironic/deadpan persona she likes to put on
still needed a bit of work in those early days but she's just about got it
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, 12 May 2017 02:53 (seven years ago) link
S10e14, 15 and 16 are the only real good ones this season
Some good parts throughout
E12 or 13 might've been good too i last track (and 14 might not have been that good)
On e18 and it's they're revisiting the fancy french bakery and the crane bros are after smuggled beluga caviar
So so
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Saturday, 20 May 2017 03:58 (six years ago) link
S10e20
Not even Elvis costello (and john hannah) could save this one
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Saturday, 20 May 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
or Matt Besser
― PressAnarchyToContinue (Ste), Saturday, 20 May 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
(although I liked that scene)
Haha that's true
Only the short, understated performances are good now
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Saturday, 20 May 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
watching frasier stoned and it occurs to me that the actors playing martin, niles, bulldog, and, the only one playing a gay character - gil are all gay
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 27 May 2017 07:07 (six years ago) link
the guy who plays gil is also charles pahluniak's literary agent
― pickety third (stevie), Sunday, 28 May 2017 08:59 (six years ago) link
Gil's not gay (or is at least closeted as he has a wife).
(copied from upthread a bit)
― ailsa, Sunday, 28 May 2017 09:10 (six years ago) link
yeah, i seem to remember a piece back in the day remarking that the only (then-outed) gay actor on the cast was the one who played the most testosterone-heavy hetero-sex-pest. is john mahoney officially out? i know he's historically played his cards close to his chest, as far as his private life.
― pickety third (stevie), Sunday, 28 May 2017 10:51 (six years ago) link
I'm surprised he didn't offer to help Daphne's brother with his Mancunian accent. And Daphne, for that matter.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 May 2017 11:12 (six years ago) link
Ailsa later in the show - seasons after the supposed revelation that he has a wife - it is heavily and unambiguously implied that Gil is actually gay. I was shocked when I found out Jane Leeves was actually English considering how false her accent sounds.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 28 May 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
Gil was so so gay. He even snuck into a gay bar at the end of one episode.
― PressAnarchyToContinue (Ste), Sunday, 28 May 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
I thought he didn't actually go to the gay bar, it was just a comical misunderstanding to add to all the "lol Gil's so gay" thing. I mean, clearly he's gay but it's never actually stated despite all the heavy-handed pointers. I like to think there's an alternate sitcom spin-off universe in which stereotypically gay female mechanic Deb Chesterton is caught up in all these comical misunderstandings as well.
― ailsa, Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:46 (six years ago) link
^^The Frasier fanfic guy probably has 20 seasons of that somewhere.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
don't really care to speculate too much but only david hyde pierce and dan butler have come out
in the 90s there was a lot of speculation though
bear in mind that one of the high points in the show was when they were making fun of how supposedly straight men were doing the most stereotypically gay things, specifically as martin reestablished his relationship with frasier and his friends/acquaintances
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
the whole joke about gil is that he is the only one who feels the need to actually show he is straight and explicitly says he does things a stereotypically straight man would do but the punchlines are the small details or actions that out him as extremely feminine
roz is the male version of a "pig," probably preempting the whole bitch/new feminism culture popular years later
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
still on season nine of this, and it bounced back a bit. Comedy is snappier.
Seems like in its later seasons this was still good, except for anything having to do with a romantic relationship. All those plots are humorless slogs, yet the show committed more and more time to them
― Evan R, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, May 28, 2017 4:12 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's because he is not capable of it anymore
he said he purposely tried to lose his accent in the 80s i believe and he never spoke in it even in the 90s
apparently it was because he wanted to blend into american society. i understand that. it's a survival instinct. just like how canadians start speaking like americans when they come to the US
his is more of an extreme case but probably has to do with him being in the US military too
daphne not having a manchester accent is weird in the first few years, but later a lot of people lose a lot of the distinctive features of their original accent if they live outside their native country
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
xp
ya it goes through more ups and downs past season 8
i'm in s11e08 i think
so far only two really good episodes and they were much in the style of the early years
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
Gainsbarre
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
big part of the decline on this show is b/c Niles and Daphne make a horrible couple. Very little chemistry, beyond Niles repeatedly saying they have chemistry. I wonder if the writers were ever tempted to undo their coupling and just act like it never happened, like Frasier/Roz. The show invested so much in their relationship and then had so little payoff for it
― Evan R, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
it didn't help that daphne was such a shit to niles towards the end
― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
It's more that it's not a very good Manchester accent - though at least it sounds Northern English and not Australo-Cockernee.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
off topic? but they just showed the "gay" episode of Cheers oh boy that's a good one.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
I think a best subplot would have been for Niles and Frasier to construct some sort of balloon traveler and travel the world with their dad in his hilarious shitty chair
― Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
S11e12
Gil: And a duck confit that's as rich as Donald Trump and twice as greasy
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 04:15 (six years ago) link
It may be the gulfs will wash us downIt may be we shall touch the happy islesAnd though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heavenThat which we are we areMade weak by time and fate, but strong in willTo strive, to seek, to find and not to yield
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 04:54 (six years ago) link
you reached the end of your quest?
there's no way i could make it through this series - when it was on originally i gave up around the time niles and daphne got together, which i now realise is only a little over half way into the series - which perturbs me) but ive watched the first two seasons in the last few weeks
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 05:20 (six years ago) link
ya
i stand by what i said but basically seasons 2-5 were really good (1 was good too but i feel like they were just getting started)
6 was good too but not as solid
7 started getting bad
there was a dramatic drop off in quality by 8
10 and 11 are pretty bad but i stuck with it, sometimes dozing off/falling asleep during a few episodes
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Thursday, 8 June 2017 03:16 (six years ago) link
I always felt (and have probs expressed in this thread already) that Cheers was a sharper, warmer, more nuanced show
― Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
The problem with this show imo is that the repartee is near untouchable but I can't bear the farce
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link