Imagine if John Lydon had died in 1980 and Ian Curtis was making adverts for Country Life butter

yeah exactly - i don't care how he votes - saying right-wing things is an act in itself, whatever his private feelings are don't concern me in this context.

The Kele thing..

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

Now, let's think about the Donald. Hmmmmm....

"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."

this is a weird claim for Marcus to make, given his insistence, elsewhere, on the important of context. an artist's later work and actions enrich/further/complicate the context of their earlier work, at the very least. if that work has, in the past, been political in nature/focus, then an artist's expressed political opinions might also further illuminate/complicate the earlier work. earlier work doesn't exist in some weird bubble where nothing that comes later can touch it; even the experience of being moved by that earlier work can be complicated in severe instance (where the artist later goes on to commit murder, say).

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented, vocal support for Trump suggests he doesn't exactly have the best interests of black people at heart but who really gives a shit what a pop star from 30 years ago thinks about politics anyway?

The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.

mmm, inclined to go back to what lg said about 'private feelings' here - if you're knowingly surrounding yourself with racists who end up getting into a racially-motivated fracas then you're just as much at fault imo

uhm I think you're forgetting one thing: john lydon likes reggae

If you think you have evidence that a rock star might be racist, maybe try looking into whether or not they like reggae first before you embarrass yourself

tru, sorry everyone

lol

aka the "Morrissey test"

Is Morrissey still a Farage fan? Has he being saying anything political in recent years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCDkRpc4pns

aka the "Morrissey test"

― oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague)

applied by John Roberts when striking down a key section of the Voting Rights Act iirc

Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.

― everything, Monday, March 27, 2017 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah he thinks that enoch powell is the the greatest ever briton. wonderful guy. not right-wing at all.

oh is this the "they're not actually racist, they're just saying ironic stuff to shock people" debate again, I thought we settled that with the alt-right

well, yeah. lydon was always a troll but now that is basically undistinguishable from alt-right. it's a generational thing somewhat. godard tripped on it as well.

wow, enoch powell? when did he say that?

It would be no biggie, Enoch's reputation has been completely rehabilitated since they found out he "wasn't totally impartial to" a bit of Dixieland Swing, occasionally.

xp. i can't find it anywhere online but i vividly remember watching john lydon on the tv as part of the 100 greatest britons programme advocating for enoch powell, talking about the cruelty of mass immigration on the native white, working class communities, and how powell was prescient with his river's of blood speech.

lol river's of blood

I'm glad I'm not the only cunt who keeps butchering apostrophes on here tbh!

xpost hahaha. Kinda wish Enoch Powell was a jazz fan but when he was on Desert Island Discs he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden. His book choice (bearing in mind you already are given a bible) was the Old Testament in Hebrew. Wotta twat.

one thing about old enoch that your modern day rightist chuds can't match is at least the horrible old bastard was a polyglot

Lydon channeling Brendan O'Neill

Brexit is actually the most rock’n’roll thing to have happened in a generation. What we have here is ordinary people, including vast swathes of the working class, saying ‘No’ to the status quo, sticking two fingers up at an aloof elite, channelling Rotten and Vicious to say screw you (or something rather tastier) to that illiberal, risk-averse layer of bureaucracy in Brussels. It makes the student radicals of the 60s and even the anarchic punks of the 70s look like rank amateurs in comparison. Sure, those guys might have waved flowers against the Vietnam War or put safety pins through their snouts, but did they send the political class, the chattering class and the business elite into an existential tailspin by delivering a severe sucker punch to these people’s favourite institution? No, they didn’t. Brexit did, though.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-punk-thing-happened-years/

didn't Gove also write some sub-Spiked screed more than a decade ago about how right-wingers are the modern day punk rockers?

probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope or a classist

all of you are going straight to hell

c u there

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope, a homeboy, a hippie & a funki dredd

Big Audio Dynamite

Talking of which, that Don Letts is a tedious look-back eejit, and I'm not racist - I have at least 2 Burning Spear albums!

What exactly is Lydon selling anyway?

$1.9 million house in malibu last i heard

Can't get more working class than that.

Well he's anti middle class. Said nothing about the Malibu crowd.

john, when yer dead you should ly don.

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:27 PM (one hour ago)

john lydon and sid vicious were different ppl fyi

People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented

lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:27 PM (one hour ago)

john lydon and sid vicious were different ppl fyi

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:02 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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"Good heavens! You frighten me to death"

when he was on Desert Island Discs he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden. His book choice (bearing in mind you already are given a bible) was the Old Testament in Hebrew.

tbf these are good choices

His luxury item was a fish smoker but I didn't mention it since there's nothing fascist about them.

Wondering about the literary merits of the old testament in Hebrew.

he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden.

Interesting that he'd mix things up with an indie singer-songwriter.:P Also, if that means he picked four operas by Wagner, I'm pretty sure that's cheating.

Wondering about the literary merits of the old testament in Hebrew.

the Psalms, Job, Jonah and the Song of Solomon are among the greatest literature ever produced imo. of them I've only translated a phrase or two from Psalms & SOS (and the little Hebrew I studied for a year in college has long since atrophied) but iirc the word is the OT in Hebrew has quite stunning literary merit

Job needs more car chases and people being kicked in the face IMO, but I guess that'll have to wait for the movie version. Jason Statham is...JOB.

https://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/ireland-john-lydon-eurovision.jpg

Imagine an alternate timeline where Tony Hadley and Ian Curtis were touring as part of Blue Wedge.

What if someone had started another thread about Lydon’s politics and the life hadn’t been sucked out of this awesome one?

No suitable thread to comment on, so picking this one..

Yeah, John’s talking tour gets pulled in Glasgow because his tour manager was aggressive with staff.

No news story has named the tour manager, but.

I’d not bother with this, but some comments allude to a high possibility that the Glasgow venue has ‘form’ for being .. dunno.

I mean, what would a tour like this need, beyond a chair, table and a mic?

It's probably John "Rambo" Stevens, his long time manager/henchman

Total psycho apparently

Friend was managing a gig for a local venue a couple years ago around the time that comeback album that was decent came out, she said they were a total nightmare and she almost got into it with someone in the camp

Not exactly surprised that Lydon is surrounded by boorish wankers tbh.