I don't remember the tory Curtis stuff. What's the source on that?
― gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link
It's in Touching from a Distance:
Ian ... voted Conservative as he always would do. He argued that as his wife I had to vote the same way, otherwise I would cancel his vote!
https://books.google.com/books?id=LmSwBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT52&dq=ian+curtis+conservative+touching+from+a+distance&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR65SYnvjSAhUD2yYKHd5_BjgQuwUIIzAB#v=onepage&q=ian%20curtis%20conservative%20touching%20from%20a%20distance&f=false
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:19 (seven years ago) link
He died at 23. There was only two general elections he could've voted in and only one during their marriage. That "he always" is carrying a lot of weight.
― everything, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 04:37 (seven years ago) link
Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.
― everything, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 04:41 (seven years ago) link
the doddering classes often become conservative without realizing it
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 07:05 (seven years ago) link
this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArthvGUb_w
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 07:17 (seven years ago) link
Doughnut Bump?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 07:30 (seven years ago) link
Man, Conan looks weird in that screen capture.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
too bad, cz "no future in England's dreaming" is a fairly prescient synopsis of Brexit
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 13:30 (seven years ago) link
or maybe it won't be, I mean I can't claim to be that prescient myself obv
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 13:31 (seven years ago) link
Well, if he's complacent enough to view the situation as nothing more than entertainment, that's something of an ideological position in itself, but I think he said more than that? There's more of the interview here (although it's mostly quoted in the text of the Independent article). He said he stands with the working class in favour of Brexit. (And if I understand how the British class system works, which I definitely don't, I'm guessing this probably means something like "white working class".) And he said "the left-wing media" is smearing Trump as racist, which he doesn't think is true (but many of us do); and that it's a very good thing that he's "terrifying politicians" (again, not something that everyone agrees with).
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 13:38 (seven years ago) link
Probably considers himself smeared as a racist by Kele Okereke.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link
lydon is most likely a tory shithead, all things considered, but he's also always been pretty good at saying stuff that gets him media attention
― tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
nah, he's "apolitical", like as in "atonal"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:34 (seven years ago) link
I doubt he's a Tory. Being NOT MIDDLE CLASS is his whole thing.
― Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
it's not his whole thing - there's also being a sneering, money-motivated property-developing arsehole with which is prime tory territory iirc
― tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
What I meant is that not being seen to be middle class is more important to him than any political affiliations.
― Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
He's just yet another embarrassing I-just-say-what-I-think rentagob at this stage. It makes little difference whether they self-identify as right-wing or not, but there was some dodgy stuff involving Kele Okerere a few years ago.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link
yeah exactly - i don't care how he votes - saying right-wing things is an act in itself, whatever his private feelings are don't concern me in this context.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link
The Kele thing..
The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.
Now, let's think about the Donald. Hmmmmm....
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link
"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."
this is a weird claim for Marcus to make, given his insistence, elsewhere, on the important of context. an artist's later work and actions enrich/further/complicate the context of their earlier work, at the very least. if that work has, in the past, been political in nature/focus, then an artist's expressed political opinions might also further illuminate/complicate the earlier work. earlier work doesn't exist in some weird bubble where nothing that comes later can touch it; even the experience of being moved by that earlier work can be complicated in severe instance (where the artist later goes on to commit murder, say).
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented, vocal support for Trump suggests he doesn't exactly have the best interests of black people at heart but who really gives a shit what a pop star from 30 years ago thinks about politics anyway?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
mmm, inclined to go back to what lg said about 'private feelings' here - if you're knowingly surrounding yourself with racists who end up getting into a racially-motivated fracas then you're just as much at fault imo
― tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
uhm I think you're forgetting one thing: john lydon likes reggae
― samovars are trying to steep (wins), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
If you think you have evidence that a rock star might be racist, maybe try looking into whether or not they like reggae first before you embarrass yourself
― samovars are trying to steep (wins), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
tru, sorry everyone
― tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
lol
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
aka the "Morrissey test"
― oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
Is Morrissey still a Farage fan? Has he being saying anything political in recent years?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCDkRpc4pns
― how's life, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
― oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague)
applied by John Roberts when striking down a key section of the Voting Rights Act iirc
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
― everything, Monday, March 27, 2017 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah he thinks that enoch powell is the the greatest ever briton. wonderful guy. not right-wing at all.
― bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link
oh is this the "they're not actually racist, they're just saying ironic stuff to shock people" debate again, I thought we settled that with the alt-right
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
well, yeah. lydon was always a troll but now that is basically undistinguishable from alt-right. it's a generational thing somewhat. godard tripped on it as well.
wow, enoch powell? when did he say that?
― gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
It would be no biggie, Enoch's reputation has been completely rehabilitated since they found out he "wasn't totally impartial to" a bit of Dixieland Swing, occasionally.
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
xp. i can't find it anywhere online but i vividly remember watching john lydon on the tv as part of the 100 greatest britons programme advocating for enoch powell, talking about the cruelty of mass immigration on the native white, working class communities, and how powell was prescient with his river's of blood speech.
― bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link
lol river's of blood
I'm glad I'm not the only cunt who keeps butchering apostrophes on here tbh!
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
xpost hahaha. Kinda wish Enoch Powell was a jazz fan but when he was on Desert Island Discs he chose 4 Wagner numbers, 4 Beethoven and one by Hayden. His book choice (bearing in mind you already are given a bible) was the Old Testament in Hebrew. Wotta twat.
― everything, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
one thing about old enoch that your modern day rightist chuds can't match is at least the horrible old bastard was a polyglot
― darraghsack (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Lydon channeling Brendan O'Neill
Brexit is actually the most rock’n’roll thing to have happened in a generation. What we have here is ordinary people, including vast swathes of the working class, saying ‘No’ to the status quo, sticking two fingers up at an aloof elite, channelling Rotten and Vicious to say screw you (or something rather tastier) to that illiberal, risk-averse layer of bureaucracy in Brussels. It makes the student radicals of the 60s and even the anarchic punks of the 70s look like rank amateurs in comparison. Sure, those guys might have waved flowers against the Vietnam War or put safety pins through their snouts, but did they send the political class, the chattering class and the business elite into an existential tailspin by delivering a severe sucker punch to these people’s favourite institution? No, they didn’t. Brexit did, though.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-punk-thing-happened-years/
― soref, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
didn't Gove also write some sub-Spiked screed more than a decade ago about how right-wingers are the modern day punk rockers?
― soref, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope or a classist
all of you are going straight to hell
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
c u there
People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented
lol what did he represent? mainstream marketing of the ironic swastika?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
probs more than half of the music ilx listens to is written by a sexist, a racist, a misanthrope, a homeboy, a hippie & a funki dredd
― oh good he's gone now i can take this off (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Big Audio Dynamite
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link
Talking of which, that Don Letts is a tedious look-back eejit, and I'm not racist - I have at least 2 Burning Spear albums!
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:05 (seven years ago) link
What exactly is Lydon selling anyway?
― Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
$1.9 million house in malibu last i heard
― i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:36 (seven years ago) link